--- In [log in to unmask], "Pascal A. Kramm" <pkramm@A...> wrote:

> Not quite: it's [e] in normal occurrencies, [@] (schwa) when short or
> reduced (no difference), and [e:] when long.
> This goes in accordance with the phonetics given in my dictionary, which
> however sometimes deviates from this rule and e.g. gives "defekt" as
> [defEkt] rather than [def@kt], as it should be.

Stressed schwa in German?  You're pronouncing two
identical vowels in "Fette"?  It just keeps getting
weirder...  anyway, the debate is settled.  You're
describing your local accent in Standard German, not
Standard German itself (as it is described, by
definition, in the Duden).  While the difference
between actual standard and accented standard is
dramatic in Switzerland (for the average citizen),
it is likely much less noticeable in most parts of
Germany, leading you to the impression that you're
speaking it without accent.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if you still
stuck to your original claim that your impression of
standard german is the Mass aller Dinge, but I
stopped caring a while ago.  This off-topic thread
has lived long enough.

-- Christian Thalmann