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On Oct 17, 2004, at 15:55, Mark J. Reed wrote:

> On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:27:34PM -0400, Trebor Jung wrote:
>> Rodlox: Have you heard the Welsh ll pronounced? If not, you don't
>> know what
>> you're missing; [K] is one of the world's coolest sounds.
>
> Absolutely!  Although I think it's more fun to say than to hear. :) I
> first encountered it in high school as the second component of the
> Klingon affricate spelled |tlh| = [tK)].
>

I'll second that assertion. That is why both [K] and [K\] appear in
emindahken :)
I first came across it (that I remember, anyway) in Navajo.

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James W.