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On Oct 17, 2004, at 15:55, Mark J. Reed wrote: > On Sun, Oct 17, 2004 at 04:27:34PM -0400, Trebor Jung wrote: >> Rodlox: Have you heard the Welsh ll pronounced? If not, you don't >> know what >> you're missing; [K] is one of the world's coolest sounds. > > Absolutely! Although I think it's more fun to say than to hear. :) I > first encountered it in high school as the second component of the > Klingon affricate spelled |tlh| = [tK)]. > I'll second that assertion. That is why both [K] and [K\] appear in emindahken :) I first came across it (that I remember, anyway) in Navajo. ------------ James W.