On Mon, Nov 08, 2004 at 05:58:35PM +0100, Andreas Johansson wrote: > > I'd also count the numbers as samples of extremely unintuitive assignments. > > They once were. By now,  and  are at least as ingrained in my > brain as the proper IPA signs will ever become. Well, I can only remember  and  because of Fr. deux and neuf.  and  at least resemble the IPA symbols;  I only remember becasue it comes up on here so frequently (guess those YAEPTs are good for something :));  is completely hopeless. > While we're discussing changes, I might mention moving [P] to the > bilabial fricative (currently [p\]). Absolutely. Besides the reasons you give, there is the fact that in the majority of cases, a fricative derived from a stop uses the uppercase version of the stop symbol in CXS: g->G, b->B, d->D, t->T. The other exception is k->x (instead of *k->K), which is fine since it agrees with the IPA. But I must say I find the actual use of [K] in CXS - for the lateral fricative - completely counterintuitive.