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Quoting "Pascal A. Kramm" <[log in to unmask]>:

> On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 11:58:24 -0500, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Fronting of velars before front V is also seen in the German ach-laut vs.
> >ich-laut; both sounds presumably represent the same _phoneme_ /x/ though
> >they are phonetically quite distinct.
>
> No, they don't represent the same. Exclusively "ch" in "Bach" represents
> /x/, while "ch" in "ich" always represents /C/.

Are you clear on the difference between phonetic notation (in brackets) and
phonemic notation (in slashes)?

Anyway, that's one of them points of disagreement wrt the phonology of Modern
Standard High German. Simply stating your opinion as a fact isn't gonna
convince anyone (well, except them ignorants, but they don't count, do they? ;)
).

                                                           Andreas