Since these advertisements contain no graphical material of any sort, I think <figure> would be a stretch, but thanks for the thought. These are blobs of text that say things like "also by the same author, [title of book], etc." <table> seems even more of a stretch--there is no tabular information involved at all. To use <table> would be a gross misuse of the element; in fact I think the term "tag abuse" would be too mild... tag perversion? tag sadism? This smacks of pre-CSS HTML formatting. If I'm that desperate, I could embed the advertisement in a <text> element and shoehorn it in that way. Ah well--I think the real solution (not available in P4, but I'll suggest it for P5) is to allow <ab> within <titlePage> and use <ab type="advertisement">. Thanks for your thoughts! best wishes, Julia At 12:36 PM -0400 4/12/05, Francois Lachance wrote: >What of using <figure>? >In a sense the Advertisement for the other books could be "other >illustrative material". It may seen a stretch but not so if a logo is >present... > >The Guidelines say: >The <figure> element is included so as to enable encoders to record the >presence of printers' ornaments or other illustrative material found >within a title page http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/DS.html#DSTITL > > ><figure> is also useful for marking the position of the advertisement on >the title page. > >The suggestion for the use <figure> in this case stems from >consideration of the experience of composing layout both with >electronic means and with paper & glue ... > >An alternative approach would be to markup a <table> for indicating the >content and placement the various blocks of text (advertisement, title >proper, etc.) and nesting the <table> in a <div> with an attribute @type >with the value "title page". > > > >> Has anyone else encountered advertisements for other books on the >> title page of a book you're encoding? and if so, how have you encoded >> them? I don't see any obvious TEI element, and even <ab> isn't >> permitted as a child of <titlePage>. >> >> Best, Julia >> >> Julia Flanders >> Women Writers Project >> Brown University >> > > >-- >Francois Lachance, Scholar-at-large >http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~lachance/jardin > >Skill may be the capacity to manipulate perceptions of knowledge. >Magic is.