Hallo! On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 15:22:56 -0000, caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > --- In [log in to unmask], Joseph Bridwell <zhosh@2...> wrote: > > > be used for more abstract relationships (shape > > classifiers, for instance: "a sheet of paper" > > is "lhazhi rjaxat" with "paper" in the genitive > > case). > > >>This is sometimes called the partitive or false possessive. > > I know this usage, rather, as the Genitive of Material or Contents, > e.g., a > sheet of paper, a jug of wine, a herd of cattle, a spring of fresh > water. > > The Genitive of the Whole (or the Partitive Genitive) denotes > something of which only a part is relevant: some of the men, many of > the witnesses, five of the horses. ObConlang: Old Albic uses the locative for "genitival" relationships of these kinds, as well as for inalienable possession. (1) rasta chvanemasa twelve:AGT dog-PL-LOC-AGT `twelve dogs' (Note suffixaufnahme on _chvanemasa_.) (2) crañ malcas jug milk-LOC `a jug of milk' (3) rank omas heliromas arm the:M-LOC healer-M-LOC `the healer's arm' But alienable possession is expressed by the genitive: (4) mbar os lacalos house the:M-GEN councillor-M-GEN `the councillor's house' Only animate nouns have a genitive, while all nouns, both animate and inanimate, have a locative. Greetings, Jörg.