>From: "David J. Peterson" <[log in to unmask]> >Reply-To: Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: question - for organizing a long-delayed language >Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 02:21:40 -0700 > >Rodlox wrote: ><< >I've finally gotten around to starting to try and find organizing >principles >to sort/simplify Metes (that terror of conlang discussions)...but I'm >not >sure how to proceed. > >> > >I'd like to be able to give organizational advice, but I'm afraid it's >dependent on understanding the logic of your language, there is no logic to Metes...at least not yet. but your comments are helping form a logic. >which, >again, I've failed to do. I really find Metes (and your various other >sketches/posts) astounding, because the way your languages >work certainly must make sense to you no, not really....Metes was my attempt to make a conlang purely (or almost purely) via mutation. >(right?), but I just can't >make heads or tails of them. Your languages are quite different >from any I've seen. thank you. >Quoting Rodlox here and hereafter: ><< >teq(m) = 10 >teu- _=_ to do, perform, show favor, revere . >teu- _=_ to lack, to be wanting; to tire . > >> > >By giving this type of entry, you've shown that you want to >separate different definitions for a word. That's good. Yet, >the entries *within* your definitions just don't seem to gel. sorry >Based on the definitions, I'd say that you should either have >four entries, corresponding to the four groups I pointed out >above, or one entry, with four subsections, as in a dictionary. > >Next question: What is does the notation _=_ convey? the Equals sign, indicates translation...a space-saving interlinear [notation] that I grew up with >Next, why do both roots of /teu/ end in a hyphen? What does >the hyphen mean? Usually it would indicate that the preceding >is a prefix, or a stem that will take a suffix. In the case of /teu/, >it seems to be neither. well, in the examples I gave, it ceased to be purely prefixing. > >Next, in /teqm/, why is the /m/ in parentheses? Is it because >it disappears in certain environments? If so, when? In a dictionary, >that's something you'd list in the beginning (e.g., "If a consonant >is in parentheses, it means that the consonant disappears when it >occurs before another consonant). > >Now your examples: ><< >teu-teqm = to revere 10; teqm-teu = to lack 10 > >> > >Are these dictionary entries, or just examples? If they're the >former, are they going to be important enough to include as >separate entries? yes to the latter. > >Also, just a general question (two such, actually): Why does >/teu/ come before "ten" in the first one, and after "ten" in the >second one? I was trying to think of ways to distinguish the two forms of /teu/ >WeIq > >(1) clan (social unit) >(2) to bend, to wind >(3) to fight, to conquer >(4) to turn >(5) to vascillate, to tremble ecstatically but, and this is where I get puzzled, how does one determine which one is indicated in a sentance. >A language question, though: How do you predict when an >incorporated object comes before or after the noun? I don't...not yet....hence my asking. thank you for your assistance.