On Oct 24, 2006, at 7:18 PM, Edgard Bikelis wrote: > Kate wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Maybe you can help me by telling me whether or not this is plausible. >> >> I'm considering making pronunciation of consonants in one of my >> languages somewhat dependent on stress. I haven't developed the idea >> at all, so here's a crude example of what I mean: >> >> If the word /tati/ had stress on the last syllable, it would be >> realized as: >> >> [ta.ti] >> >> If the word /tati/ had stress on the first syllable, however, it >> would >> be realized as: >> >> [ta.si] >> >> [s] would be an allophone of /t/ that would occur in certain >> contexts, >> perhaps intervocalically except when it begins a stressed >> syllable...? >> (I really don't know yet.) >> >> I can't think of any examples of stress in natlangs affecting >> pronunciation of consonants in a similar way, so I'm hoping someone >> here will either be able to give me examples or tell me that I should >> drop this idea if I care about realism. =) This idea is really similar to Verner's Law in Proto-Indo-European. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verner%27s_law . >> > > Hi! > > That reminds me of the pronunciation of mediaeval Latin. If I > remember well, /ti/ sounds [ti] if stressed, and [tsi] otherwise. > For instance: > > /ius'titia/ > [iustitsia] I've never heard of that pronunciation (but that doesn't mean it didn't exist). At first I thought you said Vulgar Latin, and I was going to correct you, since in VL /ti/ is [tsj] before a vowel, no matter what the accent. > > That /i/ becomes [Z], but that is another story anyway. > > About the realism, a good way of preserving realism is taking > inspiration from what you know, rather than inventing something > yourself. But I ask myself, how could be a conlang really... > natural? It's like a sculpture. You have both, they look a lot > alike, but still the substance is different. Think about what Plato > said, on his Republic, about poetry. If poetry is imitation of > reality, and the sensible... visible reality is just an imitation > of the real Truth, any poem is just an imitation of an imitation, a > lie. He concludes that it's better to stick with the 'first grade > imitation', like many think about conlanging. I like Plato a lot, > but he didn't quite thought about hobbies ; ). Personally I like > good imitations, enough to do it myself, still, I don't ever try to > recreate vines... I just draw them. > > That is my first IPA/X-SAMPA post, please criticize gently ; ). > > Edgard.