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From: Benct Philip Jonsson <[log in to unmask]>

> [log in to unmask] skrev:
> > No 'p' of 'f' in an IE lang for 'father'?
> 
> There are a number of ways *p can be lost
> 
> *p\ > xv) doesn't strike me as very improbable.

The path was

*p?\='te:r 
 --> pX='te:r (voicing assim)
 --> pX@'te:r (epenethetic @)
 --> px@'te:r (fricative collapse)
 --> px@'ter (V[+long] > V[-long] / _ {R,N} #)
 --> xp@'ter (TSV > STV / # _)
 --> xpU'ter (@ > U / V[+high])
 --> xpU'te (weakening of finals)
 --> xfU'se (frikhathivization)
 --> xfu'se (vowel collapse)
 --> xvu'se ("start darkening"[*])
 --> xvy'se (fronting harmony (or is that umlaut?))
 --> 'xvyse (initial stress)

It strikes me that I have actually misapplied a few rules here. I'm at 
the stage where I can either 
change the word or change the rules, and I'm leaning toward changing 
the rules...

[*]It's not simple voicing, but in this case it amounts to:

C[-v] > C[+v] / # (C*) _ V



Paul