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> > ....I used to think I was conflating /V A/ too (but with
> > /A:/ for the PALM vowel), but I've since then lernt that
> > my Finnish /A/ is more of an [6] or [a\] or [A_x]
> > actually, and I don't really use any vowel in the range
> > of [A] proper.
>
>What about German vocalized R then? It's also [6] usually.

>"fi:l@ "gRy:s@
>Carsten

I actually use something to the extent of [3R\_?\] or [3?\] or [@?\]... 
possibly a final glottal stop, even. True, that probably makes it close to 
[A], but the actual vowel part tends to be more front ~ central for me.

I haven't spoken much German at all in the last 5 or so years, however.

John Vertical

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