On 03/02/07, Joseph Fatula <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > [i] is the nearest vowel, but it's not as peripheral as, say, French. > > From the various cases of [i] and [I] I've heard in different > > languages (e.g. Icelandic, some German dialects or Kazakh), [i] sounds > > much more like KIT than [I] does on average. (Actually, in Kazakh, [i] > > is described as a "long i" and is phonemically /Ij/, but to my ear it > > is quite clearly a short [i]..) > Regarding Kazak, are you talking about the I in words like "bir" (one) > and "siz" (you) written with the same I-character as English, or the > other one, like in "siyr" (cow) and "it" (dog) written with the Russian > I (backwards N)? To me, the one in "bir" seems like a centralized > version of [I], while the one in "it" seems to be an ordinary cardinal [i]. When I was talking about [i], I was referring to the cyrillic backwards N character. -- Tristan.