On Aug 5, 2007, at 6:55 AM, Michael Poxon wrote: > I think a case could be made that, in normal English speech, what > is being produced here is not the phoneme cluster /ftsm/ but > instead /fcm/ even though /c/ is not an accepted phoneme of the > language, only occuring in "Correct" pronunciations of foreign > words that do possess this phoneme such as "Mozart" or "Zeitgeist" > - so you only need to assimilate /c/ to two neighbouring phonemes. > Be fun if /c/ became a new phoneme of English! > Mike >>> >>> I'm sure that's meant as a generalization, but just to set the >>> record straight, I always pronounce the /t/ in "crafts" and in >>> "craftsman" no matter how rapidly I'm speaking. I just can't >>> imagine saying "crafs." >> I'm not sure I follow. I get that you are using the symbol /c/ for the voiceless alveolar affricate, but I don't understand why you posit considering it a phoneme. Not to mention assimilating it to the two neighboring phonemes.