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You might also find interesting and relevant answers in the thread containing 
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< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25096 >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25100 >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25108 >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25118 >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25142 >
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/conculture/message/25157 >