> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of steve rice

> > Of all the natural languages I looked at during my
> > research, I've
> > found that the popular Austronesian languages like
> > Malay-Indonesian,
> > Javanese or Tagalog/Filipino seem to have structures
> > and phonologies
> > that are very accomodating to a world audience. 
> > Indonesian, for
> > example, has a simple isolating grammar but still
> > has a derivational
> > system with a morphology and phonology that isn't
> > too hard to
> > pronounce though if you hear it spoken it is spoken
> > very quickly.
> > On the downside,  the derivational system is a
> > strange mix of
> > prefixes, suffixes, cirumfixes and some infixes. 
> > Other difficulties
> > are features like honorific forms and measure words.
> > 
> Indonesian is less active derivationally than Malay,
> which may be helpful. ..

I wonder if that's anything to do with most Indonesian speakers
being L2.

> .. I dislike closed syllables with
> anything but a nasal coda, so I'd prefer something
> different phonologically.

I don't see much problem with the closed syllables.  Those that have
problems could always put a vowel on the end like the stereotypical
Italian speaking English.  Even nasals can be an issue for some
speakers who will tend to nasalize the preceding vowel and omit the

> One of the minor epiphanies I've had from studying
> English-based creoles is handling Cl and Cr: I simply
> use Cw, so "tree" becomes "twi." It looks a little
> odd, but it's pretty easy to say and recognize with a
> little practice. Similarly, -er becomes -a ("komputa"
> is already fairly international) and -el/-le becomes
> -u (trickier: "able" > ?ebu).

For Ingli, I've accepted the non-rhotic model as easier but I'm
still undecided about the dark /l/ which I'm more inclined to make
into /o/ than /u/ if I decide to go that way.  The main issue is
that it could leave some funny diphthongs like /eU/ or /iU/.

The C+l or C+r leave a few weird possiblities too because /tr/ can
sound at lot like /t_S/.  I've even heard that the Vietnamese name
<tran> is actually the Chinese <chan> but with a different

Side note:

My crashed hard drive just mysteriously started working again last
night.  Ingli, my loglan and all my other lost works from the past 6
months or so are now being backed up as I write this, just in case
the f^<&ing thing decides to flake out on me again.  What a relief!
I'd be even happier if I could get it to boot so I can copy the
image, saving me the long task of reinstalling and reconfigurting a
zillion pieces of software.