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On 6/16/08, Dmitri Ivanov <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> --- In [log in to unmask], steve rice <ansric@...> wrote:
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> > --- On Sun, 6/15/08, Jens Wilkinson <jenswilkinson@...> wrote:
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> >
> > > <li_sasxsek@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I don't know if "peace-bird" would be a
> > > good idea.  Ever seen Mars
> > > > Attacks?  Okay, it's science fiction, but the idea
> > > of a dove being a
> > > > symbol of peace is still culturally based.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how well known it is that way. Aren't
> > > doves sometimes used in
> > > Olympic ceremonies? That would seem to imply that people
> > > are at least aware
> > > of it. Just like the Greek flame. People don't
> > > necessarily know the deep
> > > meaning, but at least they are aware it is a sacred symbol.
> > >
> > As I understand it, the dove (usually with an olive branch) as a
> > symbol of peace derives from Gen. 8:11, where Noah has released
> > a dove and it returns with an olive twig, showing that the waters
> > of the Flood are gone. However, it's so common in Western art and
> > general symbology that it may be understood in Asia and Africa; I
> > don't know.
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
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> There is "heping ge" (dove of peace) in my Mandarin dictionary.
> But I think it's better to have a word for "pigeon". In the first
> place, you can't invent generally understood compounds like "bird of
> peace" for all species. In the second place, for some reason it seems
> to me that it is only white dove that is a symbol of peace. In the
> third place (not too seriously) a pigeon may not be *always* looked
> upon as a symbol of peace, sometimes it's just pigeon. If we adopt
> "bird of peace", then we'll get phrases like "he was a very nice
> person and liked to shoot birds of peace", "a bird of peace brought a
> message about war", "the city government proclaimed a war on birds of
> peace" etc.
>
> Dmitry
>
Yes, in mandarin Έλ (ge) mean a dove or pigeon like bird. It is only a shape.
The front word normally to describe the (ge) such a wild-ge=dove,
stock-ge=pigeon, then peace-ge, white-ge, lou-ge etc. You may put any idea
that you want in front of the ge.

Cheng-Zhong Su