On Fri, 2008-07-11, Mark J. Reed wrote: > However you replied to this broke the thread, fyi. Showed up as a new > conversation... Sorry about that … though I'm not sure what you mean. I get a daily digest and there was nothing odd about it. So what did I do wrong? > But I thought creaky/breathy developed from pitch tones, rather than > the reverse? How would a difference in voicing develop directly into a pitch difference? On the other hand, it could easily change into a register difference. In English, the difference between /ta-/ and /da-/ is largely down to aspiration. Spread the initial voicelessness over the whole vowel, and you'd get a breathy or voiceless vowel. In Javanese, the voiceless stops are slightly glottalised (stiff). If that spread, you'd get creaky vowels after them. Which incidentally shows how the same syllable in a protolanguage could give different tones in its daughters. Dirk Elzinga wrote > T24gRnJpLCBKdWwgMTEsIDIwMDggYXQgNTo0MyBQTSwgTWFyayBKLiBSZWVkIDxtYXJranJlZWRA > bWFpbC5jb20+IHdyb3RlOgoKPiBIb3dldmVyIHlvdSByZXBsaWVkIHRvIHRoaXMgYnJva2UgdGhl At least, that's what I've received! Is anyone else having this problem?