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On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:10 AM, John Vertical
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> I've seen even [C] called a sibilant, but I can't really consider it such; it's
> basically [x_+] and [x] sure isn't sibilant in any sense. If there is a velar
> sibilant it's probably one of the realizations of the Swedish /x\/. (One of my
> first sketchlangs had this sound in voiced, voiceless and affricate forms...)

[C] to me neither sounds nor feels anything like [x]; I was surprised
when I learned that they're allophones in German.  To me
[C] sounds a lot like [S] and a bit like [s`]

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Jim Henry
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