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On Fri, Apr 24, 2009 at 2:09 AM, Leo Ki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009 23:28:38 -0700, Cheng-Zhong Su <[log in to unmask]
> >
> wrote:
>
> >On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 12:29 AM, Leo Ki <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Anybody tried measuring the syllable rate in Ithkuil? I guess it's about
> >> ten
> >> per minute in fast tonguetwisted speech - for about ten thousand in
> Italian
> >> :)
> >>
> >I don't know what do you mean? What we are talking about is that the
> >syllable can't be measured. If you don't believe, just try the repeat
> 'ten'
> >and 'ted' twenty times, both of them are one syllable, both of them are
> CVC
> >but they should cost different time.
>
> Yes, that was exactly my point. The Ithkuil language packs up a max of
> information into each syllable at the cost of having to distinguish a lot
> of
> different phonemes and clusters, which may slow down speech to the point
> that it has no advantage of speed over multisyllabic languages with lighter
> phonologies.
>
> I'd like to ask you a question if you don't mind. I was in a discussion
> about inclusive and exclusive pronouns recently, and I'd wish to know if
> the
> pronoun "" is widely used in Standard Mandarin. Thanks!

Yes, in Standard Mandarin "" means we it inclusive you. While "" means
we not inclusive you.