Even in British English p, t, and k are aspirated, for one, and none of the
vowels has a standard pronunciation. That's the problem with dialects and
being the place of origin of a language! You tend to have a lot of
In any case no one could have known beforehand your nationality; so it's
always still best to use IPA or an equivalent phonetic notation system. (:

But, that aside, I've looked at your examples, and am rather depressed to
find that I didn't manage to identify the etymologies of very many words—I
presume you developed Tabratsa a posteriori from Persian, Romani and


2009/5/13 Martin Di Maggio <[log in to unmask]>

> When I say English I am referring to the British pronunciation as I am
> British.
> > Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:21:19 -0400
> > From: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: TABRATSA
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > We fully well understand what aspiration is.  You will be hard pressed
> > to find a more linguistically sophisticated set of correspondents than
> > this mailing list. :)
> >
> > But if p, t, and k are unaspirated, then you shouldn't say they are
> > pronounced "as in English", since those letters are usually aspirated
> > in English, certainly when initial.
> >
> > > The vowels directly correspond to their equivalent pronunciations in
> Spanish,
> >
> > Then "a - as in hat" and "o - as in hot" are quite misleading.  The
> > vowel in "hat" is not the same as the Spanish "a" for most
> > Anglophones.  In my English,  "hat" has IPA [æ], which would be heard
> > by a Hispanophone as the same sound as their [a], and possibly uttered
> > by them as an allophone, but it is quite distinct from the usual
> > Spanish "a" (IPA [a] or maybe [ɑ]).
> >
> > Those two sounds are at least close.  But English "hot" does not have
> > the Spanish O sound (IPA [o]) in any native versions I'm familiar
> > with.   It has [ɔ] or [ɒ] or [ɑ] or [a] - my "hot" sounds much more
> > like Spanish A than Spanish O.
> >
> > Better exemplars, though still subject to dialectical variation, would
> > be "a - as in father" and "o - as in bone".  Better still would be to
> > just use the IPA symbols.
> >
> > --
> > Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
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