I'm a Singaporean of Chinese descent, so I guess I qualify ethnonationally.
But I hardly think all conlangs made by people east of Europe qualify as
"Eastern conlangs". Like the example of the Vietnamese euroclone Frater, for
example. Would Arithide or Dethric, my two most developed conlangs, count as
Eastern or Western? Arithide has a Latvian-style case system, but the
vocabulary is notably structured more like the Northeast Asian
languages. Dethric is more isolating (although with a rump case system
of three cases), and its vocabulary has a more Greek/Roman feel to it.

Or at least I designed them that way and feel thus personally.

My question being, what are the criteria for correspondence of a conlang to
a natlang? Phonology? Grammar? Lexicon? Pragmatics? It's difficult to decide
the criteria, let alone judge!


2009/6/24 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

> Kate Rhodes wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Sai Emrys<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:09 PM, kate rhodes<[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >> Also, it's limited to conlangs from The West. There's no mention of
> conlangs from Eastern
> >> cultures.
> >
> > TTBOMK that's a representative limitation, as far as publishing goes.
> > Any particular Eastern conlangs you'd want to have had included?
> No. I know nothing of Eastern conlangs, so I would have found it
> interesting to see if what people were attempting to do in that part
> of the world matched up with what they were trying to do in the west
> were presented as attempting as time went by.  I was mostly annoyed by
> it because the book tends to present itself as a historical overview
> of conlangs, but acts as if they only exist as the product of western
> minds. It never explicitly says that, but there's not even passing
> mention of any from the east, unless it's buried in the huge list of
> conlangs at the end  which i didn't feel a pressing desire to read
> every entry of.
> =============================
> It does seem strange. In my ~9 years on this list,  I don't recall any
> Japanese, Chinese  etc. conlangers-- except those resident in (and IIRC
> educated in) the West**  Actually IIRC there was a Chinese (Singaporean??)
> guy for a while who I think was making an auxlang, but he turned into an
> argumentative troll and vanished (or was banished).
> **I recall Yoon Ha Lee (Korean), H.S. Teoh (Chinese/Singapore?)-- both
> regular and valued contributors for several years; the ever-amazing Hanuman
> Zhang (Chinese[via Indonesia IIRC] via UK and Texas) who still pops in
> occasionally.  Currently, I assume Eugene Oh qualifies.
> There's also (Middle Eastern) the creator of Delason, a Palestinian IIRC
> who lives in the US.
> Nothing about their conlangs could be called "Eastern/Oriental" IMO.
> Perhaps undergoing a Western(ized) education contaminates the
> mind linguistically?? And monolingual conlangers (can there be any in this
> day and age?) probably would not know about, or contribute to, a list like
> this. (Never mind the problems Chinese nationals have with Internet access.)
> (Actually, "monolingual conlanger" may be a contradiction in terms-- since
> in most of the cases I can think of, it's contact with/ awareness of another
> language that activates the conlanging gene  ((That might be an interesting
> question to include in a future survey??))  But it's a sweeping
> generalization, since we do know about e.g. twins' creating private
> languages, schoolkids' private codes etc. even if they're probably just
> relexes.)
> I would have guessed that Japanese anime might be a source of conlangs, as
> another respondent said. How would one get info of those? Is there a
> "Google-Japan" or a Google-China etc. devoted solely to those countries, in
> the local languages? Can anyone access them, if they exist?