2009/10/21 Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> > --- On Tue, 10/20/09, Alex Fink <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]> > > wrote: > > > > >On Oct 20, 2009, at 2:22 AM, Njenfalgar wrote: > > >> each stressed syllable gets high or low tone > > >> (unstressed > > >> syllables remain neutral) depending on whether the > > consonant before is > > >> voiceless resp. voiced. > > > > > >Sorry to nitpick, but "respectively" isn't used that > > way in English (I > > >assume you to mean "or" or "versus"), and AFAIK when it > > is used it > > >isn't abbreviated. I wouldn't comment on it except that > > it can be very > > >hard for non-German-speaking people to guess what it > > means. > > It may not be _spoken_ English usage, but it's certainly common in academic > writing (including my own, both real and conlang-oriented). > > > (I > > wonder if this feature > > of mathematical writing came about through translations > > from German.) > > That could well be true; in my case, I suspect it came from reading lots of > papers, either in translation or originally written in English, by > foreigners, especially the Dutch, who seem fond of the word. > Actually, I cannot remember having encountered this word in Dutch (my native language) before encountering it in English written by Anglophones who knew what they were doing. So I'm a bit surprised I ended up learning it wrong. Maybe I've been reading too many mathematical papers written by foreigners of late... But I suppose it's clear by now what I meant... 2009/10/21 Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> > On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2009, at 2:22 AM, Njenfalgar wrote: > >> > >> Then stress changes place and becomes predictable. > >> If the stress ends up on another syllable, the tone becomes the opposite > >> one. In this way, tone becomes unpredictable. For example: "planet" is > >> /noko"non_L/, short for /xisenoko"non_L si"Zon_L/, originally > >> /"xi(_H)senokonon "si(_H)Zon/. For Troilgulm I am wondering if I would > not > >> make it into a register language at some point... > > > > I think it is a register tone language -- one where the tones do not > rise, > > fall, etc. If they did, it would be a contour tone language. > > I think he means a language where tone and phonation are paired (e.g. > low tone = creaky voice, high tone = breathy voice). > Indeed. I had not realized up to now that the word "register" is actually used in two ways: pitch without contour, or phonation. The first lang I speak about above is of the first type (high and low tone), Troilgulm may one day turn into the second type (different types of phonation without relevant tone). Greets David -- Raash te feegatpin: nuukazet nhamaru'eng, shayip bŁngnetuk seepiit.