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There are many known dialects of tlhIngan Hol, as well as na' Hol, the
ancestors' language. Positing still another language, even on Qo'noS, isn't
really a stretch.

stevo

On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

> Hallo!
>
> On Sun, 2 May 2010 11:37:16 -0700, Gary Shannon wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 11:48 AM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > Hallo!
> > >
> > >
> > > Indeed; Klingonaase was before tlhIngan Hol.  But AFAIK, thlIngan Hol
> > > is not based on Ford's Klingonaase, and one must say that they are
> > > different conlangs, even if both purport to be the language of the
> > > same people.
> >
> > Isn't speaking of THE language of the Klingons like speaking of THE
> > language of the humans. Surely Kronos was a large enough planet to
> > have more than one culture and more than one language.
>
> Indeed.  One would expect many Klingon languages to exist, at least in
> the past (the unification of the Klingon race into the Klingon Empire
> may have entailed the obliteration of all languages except one, though).
> One of them could be Ford's Klingonaase; another could be Okrand's
> tlhIngan Hol.
>
> On Sun, 2 May 2010 15:09:43 -0400, Jim Henry wrote:
>
> > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2 May 2010 19:21:26 +0200, taliesin the storyteller wrote:
> > >
> > >>       http://www.textfiles.com/sf/STARTREK/klinlang.txt
> >
> > > This is weird.  It speaks of the language as "Klingonaase", but what
> > > is described is obviously Okrand's Klingon - an entirely different
> > > language!
> >
> > I don't know enough of either version of Klingon to be sure, but it
> > looks to me as though the author of that file was trying to retcon
> > Mike Ford and Marc Okrand's conlangs into a single continuity, as
> > different dialects of the same language.  The latter being far more
> > fully documented, I suppose he relies more on it than on the former.
> > He also seems to draw a few words from other Star Trek tie-in novels,
> > whose authors as far as I know didn't coördinate their work with Ford
> > or Okrand either one.
>
> Yes, this is also my impression, though I don't know enough about the
> languages to be sure.  The overall structure and most of the lexicon
> seems to be Okrand's, but some stuff may be Ford's; AFAIK, only very
> little is at all known about Klingonaase, anyway.
>
> At any rate, I would never trust that text as a source on Okrand's
> Klingon language.  Where is Mark J. Reed when we need him?
>
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