On 26/09/2010 13:29, Deiniol Jones Jörg: >>>> Indeed, indeed! There is not a shred of evidence for the >>>> existence of any of the Insular Celtic peculiarities >>>> (VSO word order, initial mutations, profusion of spirants >>>> from the lenition of stops, etc.) in Gaulish, Lepontic >>>> or Celtiberian! These languages are much more similar to >>>> Latin in their structure than they are to Insular >>>> Celtic. Me: >>> Absolutely - yet if a conlang occurs that purports to be a >>> survival of a Continental Celtic language, what's the >>> betting it will have most, if not all, of these features! Jörg: >> The only Continental Celtic conlang I am aware of is Dan >> Jones's >> Arvorec, and it *does* have all those features. Sigh. Deiniol: > Well, it's supposed to! :D Arvorec came about in response to > the elimination of the Brythonic languages in Ill Bethisad, > and so was *supposed* to be a fairly typical Insular-style > language. Interestingly, Ranko Matasovic makes a case that > all these typically "Celtic" features present in the modern > Insular languages are the result of intensive language > contact during the late Dark Ages: Yes, I've always thought, at least in case of the Brythonic languages, that these changes dis not occur until after the Roman period. But I can go along with a Celtic language on the fringe, as it were, of Britain exhibiting many, if not all, of these features. What I was thinking of was some Celti-conlang in, say southern Gaul, north-west Spain, or maybe along the Danube or even a survival in some remote part of Anatolia of the ancient Galatian language. I can just imagine someone thinking: "What if Galatian had continued to spoken? It was a Celtic language, so my neo-Galatian will have to have initial consonant mutations etc." -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt, wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun." [J.G. Hamann, 1760] "A mind that thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language".