Alex Fink, On 22/09/2010 21:53: > I was about to say, re all this, > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 21:44:21 +0200, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:49:48 +0100, R A Brown wrote: >> >>> On 22/09/2010 16:25, And Rosta wrote: >>> > Am I, I wonder, the only one who feels a (literal) >>> > twinge of nausea at seeing this conlang sample? It would >>> > be most unfair to take my reaction to be any kind of >>> > just judgement of the conlang, but I find it interesting >>> > that a conlang can excite such a visceral response. >>> >>> You are not alone - tho I wouldn't describe my reaction as >>> nausea. But it is certainly an absolute turn-off. >> Yes. Not really nauseating, but it gives away its nature as a >> poor Tolkien rip-off. > > that if Edgerton's conlang had been ámman îar, there's no way I would've > known from this paltry material alone! This reminds me that me and David (Bell) talked about this recurrently. My archives only go back to late 1999, by which time I had plainly told him of my feelings about Amman Iar's soundscape, for in January 2000 he mentions > the phonetics of amman iar (I know And hates that) to which I reply: > Please! I don't hate it! It's just not to my taste! :-) Actually there's > stuff I do like about it a lot, such as the sandhi. It's the sindarinity (or > the consonantal welshiness) of its palette that cloys upon my palate. > I too think JRRT a demigod, but unlike you I don't share his tastes, love > and revere him and his works though I do. & > Elvish is too unrelentingly pretty, for me. Like seeing the whole world > tinted rosy pink. If Quenya is not as pretty as Sindarin, then it is too > unrelentingly elegant, too demure, too much in good taste, too much a > language that never goes to the carsey [= john]. & > It seems that JRRT with his genius and his Genius aimed to produce in > Sindarin something europeanly beautiful and in Quenya something > europeanly noble, and achieved this perfectly. and then David: > "Sindarinity"! "Consonantal welshiness"! Now that's descriptive!. I call > it the "cellar door syndrome" and amman iar is definitely (and purposely) > representative of the genre. --And.