Why don't we do this the other way round? If Chinese people are as proud of
their/our/whatever culture and language, then how about having merchants,
travellers, or itinerants in general move westward and eventually land in
the outskirts of the Roman Empire and pick up Latin?

Admittedly this still faces the same critical-mass problem of why the creole
would survive on its own rather than be absorbed into one of the many big
languages around it.


2010/9/22 Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

> Hallo!
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:55:29 +0100, R A Brown wrote:
>   On 22/09/2010 10:10, Peter Bleackley wrote:
>>  [...]
>>  >  We could postulate that their Chinese wives learned Latin
>>  >  out deference to their husbands
>>  Even more unlikely, I think.  The Chinese are somewhat proud
>>  of their history&  their ancient language.  I really think
>>  for Latin to have survived most of the mothers would have
>>  had to have been regular Latin speakers.
> I think so, too.  The Chinese are very proud of their heritage;
> it tells a lot that two conquests of China by foreign élites
> failed to make a dint on Chinese - rather than leading to the
> development of a "Sino-Mongolian" or "Sino-Manchu", it effected
> in the conquerors being assimilated to Chinese culture such that
> one century later, nothing could be made out that the country
> had been conquered from outside (save, of course, some written
> records).
>   >  - alternatively, they could speak a Sino-Latin pidgin to
>>  >  each other, and the children could grow up speaking a
>>  >  creole,
>>  That had occurred to me, but ....
>>  >  but I think that's a little way from what Jörg had in
>>  >  mind.
>>  Not Jörg!  He'd rather not have Latin speakers in China at
>>  all, methinks.  It's _Anthony Miles_ who wants them there -
>>  and, yes, a creole is not what he has in mind (unless I've
>>  misunderstood him).
> While I *hate* to play the bouncer here, I feel that there is
> hardly any way a Sino-Romance language could be reconciled
> with the known history of the world.  The last thing we need
> is another Channel Island Siouxan!  A Sino-Romance conlang
> certainly is an interesting linguistic experiment - but I
> just don't see how it could come into existence short of a
> Roman conquest of China, and even that, unlikely as it is,
> probably wouldn't have led to a Sino-Romance language any more
> than the Roman conquests of Greece and Egypt led to Graeco-
> Romance and Aegypto-Romance.
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