On 25/10/2010 10:17, Peter Bleackley wrote: > staving Jörg Rhiemeier: [snip] >> >> Object incorporation may be possible, but it would be >> unusual for >> a European language (I assume that your romlang is >> somewhere in or >> near Europe, otherwise it would be difficult to get the >> Romans >> there). Yes, but Pete wants the language to have some unusual features so, once it was isolated from mainstream spoken Latin, it would, I think, have had to develop somewhere where it had no contact with the Vulgar Latin of the Empire. The Romans did get about quite a bit. They certainly pushed eastwards and, at one point, made a serious attempt to bring the Parthians permanently into the Empire. There were trade contacts with India and China - obviously through intermediaries. But a delegation that traveled along the silk route might have got isolated somewhere, I guess. >> > > The idea came from the fact that when my children were first > learning to talk, they would often render /st/ as [d]. Alex > Fink's analysis is probably going to be the one I use. I have no problem with this development. > The object incorporation comes from the fact that word final > <m> was realised as nasalisation of the preceeding vowel, > and that final vowels elided before a vocalic onset. One must remember that both those statements are subjects of controversy. The verse form Classical Latin were inherited & developed from Greek models and certain practices were conventional. There is, for example, much debate on how one should read Vergil's hexameters. > Therefore > puer puellam amat > would have been pronounced something like > > [puer puellamat] If _puellamat_ came to be pronounced as one word, i.e. the stress was on the _e_, /pu'ellamat/ :) > so I'm generalising from that > > Another thing I'm going to do is retain -que. ..and -ve? -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt, wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun." [J.G. Hamann, 1760] "A mind that thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language".