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Hi Syd,

2011/1/16 Syd Bauman <[log in to unmask]>

> [Originally sent 2011-01-04 20:52:41-05:00, but I had some trouble with a
> new mail client. Sorry.]
>

NP.


>
> Hi Felix!
> You're absolutely correct, the ident= attribute of <language> takes a
> BCP 47 tag. You can find the documentation for this attribute, and
> thus the BCP 47 tags, at
> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-data.language.html
> .
> And I agree that the value of "und-002" is a good choice.
> And while I don't think it is needed for Lisa's use case, it is worth
> mentioning that when you wish to differentiate multiple undetermined
> languages you can use private use subtags.  For example, if you have
> two distinctly different languages both of which are known to be
> African but no further details are available, you could use something
> like "und-002-x-a" and "und-002-x-b". (There may be better ways, I
> suppose, but )



Here, I guess, if you have two different languages, you could try to bind
them to region / country codes, e.g. "und-011" (western africa) vs.
"und-014" (eastern africa). That would help to avoid private use subtags.

Best,

Felix


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> On 11-01-03 18:45, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> if an BCP 47 language tags can be used here (like e.g. in xml:lang), you
>> might want to choose the sequence of
>> "und" (undetermined, as Paul and Sebastian stated)
>> "002" , a UN Standard Area Code
>> See section 2.2.4 of http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt for details
>> about these codes. The BCP 47 langauge tag then would be und-002, see an
>> analysis at
>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=und-002<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=und-002>
>>
>> Felix
>>
>> 2011/1/4 Paul F. Schaffner <[log in to unmask]
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>>
>>    Lisa,
>>
>>    I think we'd probably just use the three-letter ISO-639-2 code "und"
>>    ('undetermined'), but that of course fails to capture the "African"
>>    part of the description. The ISO-3166 region designations can
>>    be used to further specify, but I do not think that they include
>>    continents (or anything bigger than countries), so you might
>>    have to make up a private-use qualification to "und-". I've not
>>    done that, so I  am speaking in ignorance, as always.
>>
>>    pfs
>>
>>
>>
>>    On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, McAulay, Elizabeth wrote:
>>
>>        Happy New Year TEI folks!
>>
>>        I am reviewing a TEI Header for a colleague and I'm looking for
>>        the best way to note in a TEI Header that an "unknown African
>>        language" is used in part in the document. I wanted to declare
>>        that information in
>>        <langUsage>
>>        <language ident="">unknown African language</language>
>>        </language>
>>
>>        I've reviewed the P5 guidelines, but the emphasis seems to be on
>>        declaring known languages.
>>
>>        Thanks,
>>        Lisa
>>
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