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Hello Stuart,

2011/1/19 stuart yeates <[log in to unmask]>

> This is just a quick note that some versions of xsltproc and other
> libxml-derived tools won't validate language tags such as these.


If you are looking for implementations which do validate these, see
http://www.langtag.net/ .

Best,

Felix

The version in version control handles a wider range of language codes
> (including 'rap' which we have) but I have not tested it on language codes
> such as "und-002"
>
> cheers
> stuart
>
>
> On 16/01/11 13:09, Syd Bauman wrote:
>
>> [Originally sent 2011-01-04 20:52:41-05:00, but I had some trouble with
>> a new mail client. Sorry.]
>>
>> Hi Felix!
>> You're absolutely correct, the ident= attribute of<language>  takes a
>> BCP 47 tag. You can find the documentation for this attribute, and
>> thus the BCP 47 tags, at
>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-data.language.html
>> .
>> And I agree that the value of "und-002" is a good choice.
>> And while I don't think it is needed for Lisa's use case, it is worth
>> mentioning that when you wish to differentiate multiple undetermined
>> languages you can use private use subtags.  For example, if you have
>> two distinctly different languages both of which are known to be
>> African but no further details are available, you could use something
>> like "und-002-x-a" and "und-002-x-b". (There may be better ways, I
>> suppose, but )
>>
>>
>> On 11-01-03 18:45, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> if an BCP 47 language tags can be used here (like e.g. in xml:lang), you
>>> might want to choose the sequence of
>>> "und" (undetermined, as Paul and Sebastian stated)
>>> "002" , a UN Standard Area Code
>>> See section 2.2.4 of http://www.rfc-editor.org/bcp/bcp47.txt for details
>>> about these codes. The BCP 47 langauge tag then would be und-002, see an
>>> analysis at
>>> http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/~sasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=und-002<http://fabday.fh-potsdam.de/%7Esasaki/lta/language-tags/q?input=und-002>
>>>
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> 2011/1/4 Paul F. Schaffner<[log in to unmask]
>>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>>>
>>>     Lisa,
>>>
>>>     I think we'd probably just use the three-letter ISO-639-2 code "und"
>>>     ('undetermined'), but that of course fails to capture the "African"
>>>     part of the description. The ISO-3166 region designations can
>>>     be used to further specify, but I do not think that they include
>>>     continents (or anything bigger than countries), so you might
>>>     have to make up a private-use qualification to "und-". I've not
>>>     done that, so I  am speaking in ignorance, as always.
>>>
>>>     pfs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     On Mon, 3 Jan 2011, McAulay, Elizabeth wrote:
>>>
>>>         Happy New Year TEI folks!
>>>
>>>         I am reviewing a TEI Header for a colleague and I'm looking for
>>>         the best way to note in a TEI Header that an "unknown African
>>>         language" is used in part in the document. I wanted to declare
>>>         that information in
>>>         <langUsage>
>>>         <language ident="">unknown African language</language>
>>>         </language>
>>>
>>>         I've reviewed the P5 guidelines, but the emphasis seems to be on
>>>         declaring known languages.
>>>
>>>         Thanks,
>>>         Lisa
>>>
>>>         --------------------------------------------
>>>         Elizabeth "Lisa" McAulay
>>>         Librarian for Digital Collection Development
>>>         UCLA Digital Library Program
>>>         http://digital.library.ucla.edu/
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>>>
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