On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]>wrote: > Matthew Boutilier wrote: > > and, few semitic languages have construct states that undergo changes as > > drastic as in hebrew (cf. dā*b*ār / d’*b*ar = "word" / "word of"). in > > arabic, when you aren't pedantically speaking with the tanwīn > > case-markings, there's rarely an actual "construct"-marking at all. > > > > kalb > > dog > > "dog" > > > > kalb al-rajul > > dog the-man > > "the man's dog" > > > > > > so, in my opinion at least, to call this "possessee marking" seems hardly > > appropriate. what you notated as "-CONS" does serve that purpose, but the > > /u/ is truly nothing more than the nominative definite ending, which > itself > > is not obligatory. > > I was under the impression that the case marker always fused with the > article, so you would have _kalburrajul_, _kalbarrajul_, _kalbirrajul_. Or > is that just in the written form? (If so, then under what circumstances > does the case marker merge with the article in spoken forms?) > > And I think the /t/ added to the feminine -a nouns in the construct is the > true construct marker. > > > On Feb 24, 2012, at 2:10 PM, Patrick Dunn wrote: > > > BTW, in Hebrew, the construct state also joins the two nouns into a > single > > syntactical unit. They become, in essence, one word: you cannot attach a > > ha- (the) to one part and not another, and you cannot insert an adjective > > between them, AFAIK. > > > > Keeping in mind it's been years since I've cracked a Hebrew grammar. > > Actually, you can only attach the definite article to the *second* part, > i.e. the possessor; that imparts the semantics of something like "the car > of the man". > > With a noun + adjective, OTOH, the definite article has to go on both > words, if it's there at all. > Sorry, yes, I meant "you cannot attach definiteness to one and not the other." The prefix ha- only attaches to the absolute state nouns. -- Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for order from Finishing Line Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm> and Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.