On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On Tue, 28 Feb 2012 16:37:40 -0500, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> Personally, I'd try to keep it as similar to standard Ge'ez as >> possible, so keeping it syllabic instead of turning it into an >> alphabet. A virama of some kind could be introduced for consonants not >> followed by a vowel; a second virama-like diacritic would be used for >> unreleased final consonants. Geminates would be spelled out (either >> prepending the same consonant with the plain or unreleased virama, >> choose your poison). > > > Since the /i\/ series is already used in Amharic for what is essentially a > virama, and there is no appropriate /i\/ phoneme in Hamer, I think that we > might have found a match. Yeah, that makes things easy. > As to the "unreleased" diacritic, I'm thinking "dot above" might be enough. > > >> I'm not quite sure I understand how the vowels work from your previous >> post. Can all of those vowels follow any consonant? > > > Yes. > > There appear to be 19 vowels, of which 14 can appear in any given word. > > i i: e e: a a: o o: u u: E O a; i; - can appear in any word > i_? i_?: e_? e_?: a_? a_?: o_? o_?: u_? u_?: - Category I words only > i_h i_h: e_h e_h: a_h a_h: o_h o_h: u_h u_h: - Category II words only Okay, so there's glottalization/laryngealization harmony, and a set of vowels that don't take part in the harmony? How predictable is the harmony? >> Are >> long vowels distinguished from sequences of two short vowels of the >> same quality? > > > I don't think so. However, clusters of at least three consecutive vowels are > documented. > > The Category IV vowels and diphthongs appear to arise under these > circumstances, too. I need to get back and re-read that section. > > >> You mention diphthongs but don't list them; are they >> also distinguished from sequences of their components? > > > This is not documented, but the answer appears to be "no". > >> If the answer >> to both of those are "no", then long vowels could be spelled by >> appending a vowel-only character of the same quality, while and >> diphthongs would append vowel-only characters of a different quality. > > A vowel-only character? I suppose we'd need to choose to use either the > Aleph or Ayin row and stick with one of them. I suggest the Aleph row, but > I'm not tied to it. That's what I meant. Whichever row(s) you decided would be used for onsetless vowels. >> If Category IV vowels are reduced from certain sequences, they could >> just be spelled as if they were unreduced (like diphthongs). > > This might be a winner, depending on the native intuition. If we're sticking > with Aleph for Categories I, II, and III, we could fall back to Ayin for IV > if the native intuition is that they are un-analyzable. Even if they're considered unanalyzable, digraphs may not be a bad thing, particularly if diphthongs and IV vowels behave as phonologically long, as long as they're predictable. Depending on how harmony works, it may be possible to only mark glottalization & laryngealization on onsetless vowels. Then you could use choice of aleph/ayin/h row to mark it.