On Feb 29, 2012, at 1:13 AM, Logan Kearsley wrote: > On 28 February 2012 23:58, Eric Christopherson <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >> On Feb 27, 2012, at 2:49 PM, Logan Kearsley wrote: >> >>> A bit of background- Celimine has always had demonstratives that >>> conflate space+time (so you can say "here and now" or "then or there", >>> but not "now but there"). >> [...] >>> Now, I've recently started reading a grammar of Halkomelem Salish. >>> That same article begins with an analysis of Halkomelem, which I >>> totally skimmed over on the way to the much more interesting (at the >>> time) bits on Blackfoot. And I feel really silly that I did not notice >>> earlier that Halkomelem verb phrases work *eerily* similar to the way >>> I came up with for Celimine, though sufficiently different that I can >>> be reasonably sure I didn't just accidentally subconsciously copy it. >> [...] >> >> Cool. I had a similar idea, but the "here/now" thing would be used also for first person (undecided whether it would apply to 1st-p subject, agent, patient, possessor, or more than one). But I haven't worked out all the implications of it yet. > > I cannot imagine what any of the implications would be. What does it > even mean for that to apply specifically to the 1st person? Well basically I think it would mean "I am eating bread" would be expressed as something like "bread is.eaten-here.and.now"; there would be various affixes or whatever to indicate that the eater isn't the 1st person, or the time of the eating is in the past or future, etc. > >> What grammar of Halkomelem are you reading? > > Gerdts, 1988. _Object and Absolutive in Halkomelem Salish_. It's a > PhD. thesis. [...] Cool; I'll have to check it out.