--- On Sat, 3/31/12, MorphemeAddict <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Arabic is rather fearless about juxtaposing different consonants. Does
> assimilation occur?

In Anian? No -- but I d think that all the horrible clusters must be the
result of some kind of weird vowel loss back during the Old Oritanian 
period. I don't know a whole lot about the language as of yet, so it is 
possible that assimilations occur. I just don't know where or how or why 

Of the daughter languages, some undergo considerable cluster simplification
while one or two retain a high level of complexity. For example, Anian
"tcani" (rune or wise saying) becomes "cnis" in Hoosickite; "ctlapmi"
(leg) becomes "clamen". Pendarvian is said to retain the clusters. Hecklan,
if it turns out to be a relative of Anian at all, has certainly altered
some Anian words: Anian "hhtcrmr" (city) becomes "cramion" in Hecklan.

The history of Anian, which was the native language of Oriata, one of the 
Archaic Empires of the Eastlands, has a history going back some 10 to 15
thousand years. As a language of philosophical scripture, it has been quite
resistant to change, and since the destruction of Oriata and the other
ancient empires in the region, it has long since ceased to be a spoken or
living language. In this respect, it is much like Sussian, another
philosophical language of the area, though perhaps not quite so old.

Very few records of Old Oritanian are extant -- just some fragments of
monumental inscription -- and the syllabary used is not the same as that
of the later language. One fairly certain O.Or. word is HE-TUGQILLIMIILUN,
meaning "within the City". If that's the ancestor of "hhtcrmr", then
quite a lot of vowel loss and other changes have happened within the


> stevo
> On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> > --- On Sat, 3/31/12, Miles Forster <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > are there any languages that don't make use of
> > > devoicing/voicing in consonant clusters? That is,
> are there
> > > languages in which a consonant cluster such as
> [sb] or [pz]
> > > is found and where these are distinguished from
> the
> > > assimilated versions [sp]/[zb] and [bz]/[ps]?
> >
> > Anian would be the best bet for such a thing among my
> languages, but it
> > seems to studiously avoid VL+V consonant clusters (I'm
> not counting things
> > like K + L, because L and R (well, and other
> continuants) are typically
> > syllabic and so don't really form "consonant"
> clusters). For that matter,
> > it shares with other languages of the Eastlands a
> marked preference for
> > VL consonants. D is common enough, but B is rare and I
> don't think I have
> > a G in the lexicon. Has some Vs and perhaps one Z that
> I can find.
> >
> > Anian is otherwise rather fearless as far as consonant
> clusters are
> > concerned. Some represent actual vowelless syllables: F
> is the most common
> > of the "consonants" that form syllabic segments:
> F-TANUM (trisyllabic)
> > would be distinct from FTANUM (disyllabic). M, N, L
> & R commonly form
> > syllabic segments, either alone or in combination with
> one or more other
> > consonants. Others represent coarticulated stops or a
> sort of rapid fire
> > serial articulation of two or more stops. So, clusters
> like PKRINIO is
> > actually [p] and [k] said at the same time; but
> PTKRRTUM is [p-t-k]
> > enunciated separately but in very rapid succession with
> no intervening
> > vowel or other flow of air.
> >
> > Padraic
> >