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Bugger, have been an idiot. Teach me to accidentally press send too soon. Am I right in believing Swedish uses both "den" and "det" to have a four way, rather than three way, distinction? Basically, ignore my last :)

Sam Stutter
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"No e na'l cu barri"

On 2 Dec 2012, at 20:37, Sam Stutter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Uh... very willing to be proven wrong on this, but don't Nordic languages do this as well (han / hon / det)? As I understand things, Swedish nouns (speaking non-historically) don't really have "gender" as such, rather word classes. Looking for examples on Wikipedia, I'm at a loss to think if there is a genuine *gender* distinction between "ladder" (common) and "house" (neuter), but rather a grammatical one - like Romance verb classes. Am I being an idiot in saying that in Swedish you would use "det" for both "ladder" and "house"?
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> On 2 Dec 2012, at 19:19, Matthew Boutilier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> are there NATLANGS, besides English, that use pronouns thus:
>> "he", etc. = male humans/animals
>> "she", etc. = female humans/animals
>> "it," etc = all inanimate things (and, sometimes, babies of indeterminate
>> sex)
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>> i am really hard-pressed to come up with more languages that work in
>> exactly this way. most of the languages i am familiar with have a
>> masculine/feminine distinction that spills over into the inanimate realm
>> (Romance, Semitic);
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>> and then there are languages that *have* the tripartite gender distinction
>> in their morphologies (with neuter), but inanimate objects are not
>> inherently neuter, and are often masc. or fem. (Greek, Latin, German,
>> Russian);
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>> and then there are some languages that don't distinguish grammatical gender
>> at all (Turkish, Persian);
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>> but none of these resemble English in the way that i am asking about!
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>> [[i am mainly interested in non-Germanic languages (i suppose the English
>> case is also the case dialectically in at least German and Dutch), but if
>> you've got Germanic examples lemme hear 'em.]]
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>> are there any CONLANGS that handle things in a way similar to English?
>> 
>> thanks!
>> matt
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