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On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 10:17 AM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:44 AM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > > > I discussed this elsewhere and those who know more about Star Trek
> than
> > > > me seem to be saying that there is too much already written about
> > > > Vulcans and their space elvish language,
> > >
> > > But the Vulcans of Star Trek do NOT exist.
> >
> > True, and he didn't say they actually exist, but even if they did, there
> > would be no reason to suppose they must speak a logical language (such as
> > Lojban). We know just enough about Star Trek Vulcan culture, physiology
> > and psychology to know that they are not so different from us: they are
> > not logical by nature, but rather by long and arduous training. It may
> > very well be that those Vulcans who are deepest in the art of logic use
> > some kind of loglang as a second language; but I'd doubt that such a
> beast
> > would be their cradle language.
> >
>
> We really don't have any info on the Vulcan language.  As far as I know,
> there are only a few lines in the language, developed by Mark Okrand to
> match the mouth movements of the scene as performed in English.  I'm sure
> people have analyzed that small bit of data quite thoroughly, but I doubt
> we'll see more of Vulcan language later on.
>

Here is a Vulcan dictionary: http://www.starbase-10.de/vld/
And some grammar information here:
http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Category:Vulcan_Language_Institute

stevo

>
>
> > Within the ST universe, we also know that Romulans and Vulcans are very
> > close (if not identical) physiologically and they have a shared history.
> > It would stand to reason that the basic nature of the Vulcan language(s)
> > is more like that of the Romulans, barring some sort of radical purge.
>
>
> It is well-established and often stated that the Romulan and Vulcan
> languages are similar, so no purge.  Probably both races speak some
> descendant of a language that existed before the split, which would in turn
> be at least a descendant of a language that existed before the Vulcans
> learned to suppress their emotions.  Certainly such a language would be
> naturally evolved.
>
>
> > > > but I think real world Vulcans would either convert their natural
> > > > language to a loglan or write one from scratch.
> >
> > They might very well do the latter.
>
>
> That would be very interesting to explore.  I've noticed that as Star Trek
> went on Vulcan Logic became less a rationalist ideology and more of a
> religion of sorts.  Vulcans always did have incorrect or unusual ideas as
> to what was "logical" (look up the "Straw Vulcan" trope), and as their
> culture got fleshed out through the decades with rituals and mythology it
> seems more and more that Vulcan Logic is very dogmatic and is revered in a
> way that seems quite religious.
>
> As such, it's hard to predict what they would do.  Would they decide that
> the "logical" course of action would be to keep their own language, just
> out of pure pragmatism?  Would they iron out some irregularities and be
> done with it?  Or would the priesthood develop a loglang for themselves?
>  Lots of interesting questions that we, unfortunately, can't answer, since
> none of us get paid by Paramount to write about Vulcans.
>