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On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Adnan Majid <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> If the goal of Jeff and others is just to simplify Arabic without being
> particularly tied down to Arabic's complex phonetics, I wonder whether one
> can use *vowels* to represent different consonants that were originally
> different. Many of the emphatic consonants in Arabic (as well as some
> others) cause the following vowel to become more rounded (is that the right
> term?) - namely T, Z, S, D, kh, gh, r, and q.
>
> For instance, the verb "dalal" would mean "he showed" while the verb
> ".Dalal" would mean "he erred." Since the "o" vowel isn't usually used in
> Arabic, one could render the the latter as "dolal", differentiating it from
> "dalal" without having to use any digraphs or diacritics. And it actually
> ends up sounding fairly similar to the original.
>
> It helps that Arabic has only 3 main vowels. Thus the vowel changes could
> be something like the following: a->o, i->y, u->eu, or maybe a->o, i->e,
> u->y, or whatever you'd like (for instance, we already use "syria" to
> render the Arabic ".Sooriyya" as the Greek "y" was originally similar to
> the french "eu").


The Greek upsilon (whence "y") was originally pronounced similar to the
French "u" [IPA y] (not "eu").

stevo

Depending on one's goals, one doesn't need to be totally
> precise - just precise enough to differentiate similar words.
>
> Just a suggestion - haven't thought about all too much.
>
> Adnan
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 8:26 AM, David McCann <[log in to unmask]
> >wrote:
>
> > On Monday 04 February 2013 22:00:52 Jeffrey Brown wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, the orthography of Sim-Arabic is sort of ugly. DIN 31635 (the
> > > transliteration standard of the Deutsche Morgenländische
> > > Gesellschaft) is a lot prettier - but it is not easier to use. It
> > > needs the following diacritics: macron above, macron below, dot
> > > above, dot below, caron above, breve below - and these special
> > > characters: right half ring, left half ring. It is a pain in the
> > > neck to type.
> >
> > Surely it's just a question of getting your keyboard set up properly,
> > like:
> > Compose -a for ā
> > Compose _t for ṯ
> > Compose !t for ṭ
> > Compose cs for š
> > Compose bh for ḫ
> > L3Sh { for ʿ
> > L3Sh } for ʾ
> > Typing three keys for š is not much worse than typing sh, and I believe
> > that you can get compose-key emulation for Windows these days.
> >
> > I've got everything including the kitchen sink set up here: ẖ ꜣ ƛ ʢ and
> > so on.
> >
>