2013/3/9 Patrick Dunn <[log in to unmask]>: > I think Leonardo was asking how difficult it was for French speakers to > learn a language that has phonemic stress, such as English, rather than > perfectly predictable stress (or no stress, IIRC, in some dialects) as in > French. He was comparing it to tone, not implying that French was tonal. Exact! AFAIK, all French vowels except schwa are equally stressed. > > Hmm, tonal French . . . how would *that* arise? All those missing > consonants at the ends of words . . . hmm. > > > > > On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:56 PM, George Corley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Leonardo Castro <[log in to unmask] >> >wrote: >> >> > I was thinking about how French people perceive stressed-unstressed >> > contrast. Is it as strange and difficult as tones for those whose >> > native language doesn't have them? >> > >> >> Wait -- French has stress, not tone. I am reasonably sure of this. >> >> Now, if we actually talk about tonal languages, then this is interesting. >> I would imagine that speakers of complex tone systems would either ignore >> stress or map it to a particular tone (Mandarin fourth tone -- a falling >> tone -- seems to sound very similar to an English primary stress, but I >> don't know if Mandarin speakers actually perceive it that way). Speakers >> of pitch-accent or simple tone systems may fix stress as a high tone or >> something like that. In fact, I've heard that it's still under debate >> whether some simple-tone languages have both tone _and_ stress. >> > > > > -- > Second Person, a chapbook of poetry by Patrick Dunn, is now available for > order from Finishing Line > Press<http://www.finishinglinepress.com/NewReleasesandForthcomingTitles.htm> > and > Amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Second-Person-Patrick-Dunn/dp/1599249065/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1324342341&sr=8-2>.