On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 2:17 PM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > On 06/01/2014 00:25, And Rosta wrote: > >> Adam Walker, On 05/01/2014 23:47: >> >>> I don't at all like the buffetlang image and find it >>> wholly inappropriate to the task. HOWEVER, your use of >>> the word chimera makes me think that therin might lie >>> the perfect word for these beasties -- chimeralangs. >>> That us rather what they are Latin disguised as Polish >>> or German or Welsh through the uniting of two >>> disparate animals. What say the group? >>> >> >> That's perfect! Not merely the least unsatisfactory, but >> downright apt. >> > > Is it? The chimera was not one animal disguised as another. > It was a composite of three animals: lion, goat and serpent. > > It was generally depicted as a lion, with a goat's head > rising from the lion's back, and with the tail as a serpent, > with the head of the serpent at the tip of the tail. thus > the chimera had three heads :) > > These langs have a base (usually, but not necessarily, > [Vulgar] Latin) onto which an alien phonological development > has been grafted. I still think that of all suggestions so > far, "graftlang" is the most appropriated. My thinking is that these conlangs are chimeras (in one of the dictionary senses of the term) in that they are imaginary monsters fusing incongruous parts, Language X as the starting point and the diachronic phonology of Language Y applied to it. I see that in another message you see the essence of these conlangs as involving one language masquerading as another, which would also provide warrant for the _bogolang_ term. I had earlier been thinking of hybridity as an essential characteristic, but had refrained from suggesting a term based on _hybrid_ because natlangs can be hybrid, whereas the conlangs in question are ones where there is a fundamental incongruity of the formative elements; hence the perceived aptness of _chimera_. I'm only really musing aloud on this topic, tho, not trying to argue for a particular understanding of these conlangs. Unlike the artlang/engelang distinction, which I think is fundamental to an understanding of conlanging, _bogo-/graft-/chimera-/masque-_ is just a genre label. --And.