On 01/02/2014 09:27, BPJ wrote: > Why not ï ë along with ü ö ä for front vowels as in > Americanist usage, so that the umlaut means "flip > back-frontness". Great minds obviously think alike :) That's exactly what occurred to me when I read Pete's email. [snip] > >> On 1/31/2014 7:31 PM, Pete Bleackley wrote: >> >> I'm thinking of writing my front rounded vowels as ü >> and ö, but what >>> would be a good diacritic to use for the back >>> unrounded vowels? >>> >>> Pete What I've never liked about the Turkish system was the use of dotted and undotted i; i ~ ı. I'm told causes problems with cursiv script. I once came up with diacritic-less scheme for Turkish (more or less, depending whether you count _ø_ as _o_ with a diacritic going through it, or as a separate letter), thus: Atatürk: a e i ı o u ö ü Me: a e i y o w ø u But I guess _w_ = /u/ is too Welsh ;) -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigene Kosten denkt, wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun." [J.G. Hamann, 1760] "A mind that thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language".