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Has anyone figured out what the Mayan-based 3-D glyph system used in
Catherine Asaro's Skolian Empire saga is like? Languages that use this
system are Iotic and possibly Skolian Flag, IIRC.

stevo

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 3:35 PM, BPJ <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Den 2015-07-04 23:58, Alex Fink skrev:
>
>> Maybe you could do it by sound change. Take a language with a CV
>> syllabary and have some Vs become zero so that the corresponding
>> glyphs now serve for C alone. The resulting system would be messy, but
>> a little script borrowing could straighten it out into an alphabet.
>>
>
> That's what I'm assuming for Sohlob writing: the oldest attested form is
> an underspecified CV(N)(C) syllabary with very few permissible -C[1] and
> only three V.[2] There was ongoing mutation of stressed vowels and
> weakening of unstressed vowels, so that the syllabary eventually was
> updated with a fourth schwa vowel, which from the outset was used also
> for bare C -- the new syllabary only having CV signs and the new CE
> (i.e. Cə) signs being harvested from among the old CVC signs. The word
> for 'river', previously being spelled NAN-TA-RA or NANT-RA representing
> something like /nandra/ now being spelled NA-NE-TE- RE representing
> /nandr̩/ or somesuch. The language ends up with a larger and wholly
> restructured vowel system and a lot of previous allophones, both vowels
> and consonants, having become phonemes, with old allophones often
> merging across former phoneme boundaries.[3] Eventually someone comes up
> with the idea to write using only C (former CE) and V signs, in the
> process recycling old WA as _o_, and YE as _i_ while old I becomes _e_
> /ɨ/, while the consonants remain underspecified, though partly
> differently so.[4] So they end up with a messy alphabet, which then
> gradually is straightened up with diacritics -- differently in different
> places.
>
> [1] -n, -r, -s, -t, which latter may have been or become [ʔ], and also
> was used to express what in the later language are Ct and Cd clusters
> like BAT-KA > /baχt/, and -n already being expressed by a diacritic, so
> probably at least sometimes nasalization.
>
> [2] A I U -- the ones you would expect!
>
> [3] E.g. *s mostly becoming /h/ but remaining [s] in sC clusters, while
> a new /s/ arises from *tj, swallowing those.
>
> [4] Also later changes mess up the alphabet. At one point it kindof made
> sense to have one sign derived from the old TI syllable for /ts dz tɕ
> dʑ/ but they end up using that sign as both /dʑ/ and /z/, while /s/ <
> /ts/ is essentially written _hh_ and /tɕ/ is written _tx_ since the old
> KI (/ki gi χi/) syllable covers both /ɕ/ and /χ/, and those
> languages/dialects which need an _æ_ use _e_ /ɨ/ for it, which is kindof
> disambiguated by vowel harmony rules.]
>