On 14/11/2015 15:25, Jörg Rhiemeier wrote: > Hallo conlangers! > > On 14.11.2015 11:52, BPJ wrote: > >> Just to be clear: Jeff's post is a clear example of >> the kind of discussion of 'auxy' languages which is >> ok. Not advocacy but grammar design. Moreover he >> states that it's a fictional auxlamg in an imaginary >> world. Thus a very regular artlang. Nothing wrong with >> them. I'm constantly struggling to make my artlangs >> more irregular. It ain't easy! > > Amen! Amen from me also! > Jeff's post is nothing that asks for being relegated to > AUXLANG. First, it is a *design* issue, which would be > legitimate here even if it was a serious IAL proposal, > and not auxlang advocacy or politics; Yep. > second, it is a *fictional* auxlang and thus an > *artlang*, which means that its place is here and not on > AUXLANG, Yes, just like Outidic :) In fact, TAKE began, if you recall, also as a fictional auxlang in an alternate time-line. There were quite a few emails about TAKE, but _no one_ suggested taking it to AUXLANG - not even to AUXLANG in an alternate time-line :D But Outidic is supposed to have been composed in 17th century Britain in our own time-line. No one, however, suggested taking the discussion to AUXLANG. But Jeff's auxlang was not only fictional but unlike Outidic and (in its original form) TAKE, it is set in a "currently unknown world"! > where many people probably think that artlangs, even > fictional auxlangs, are unwelcome. Indeed - and they would all be baffled by ... [snip] > > What Jeff posted is indeed interesting. It is > essentially a multiple verb voice system similar to > those found in some Austronesian languages - an active, > a passive and a truckload of applicatives. ... a verbal system with "an active, passive and a truckload of applicatives." ;) I agree - Jeff's post is interesting. I must dig out my notes on Tagalog :) -- Ray ================================== http://www.carolandray.plus.com ================================== "Ein Kopf, der auf seine eigenen Kosten denkt, wird immer Eingriffe in die Sprache thun." [J.G. Hamann, 1760] "A mind that thinks at its own expense will always interfere with language".