On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 12:14 PM, James Constable <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > TL;DR: Thunder, Bird and River have had Skype catchups the last two > weekends, mostly discussing cultural details like calendars, counting, > and flags. Below is a summary, reorganised for coherency. Items *in stars* > require > tribal feedback / voting. > > FLAGS > > Here is a compilation of all flag proposals thus far: > http://imgur.com/dIuHjd9. > *Please announce your preferences*. Mix-and-match votes also welcome > (e.g. "Layout of #7, with colour scheme of #3, and hexagon styling of #9"). #15, #8, #11 > > ALPHABET > > *How should we refer to individual letters?* One idea was to append a fixed > vowel, > similar to Esperanto. A more fun suggestion was to use names that describe > the > appearance of the glyphs, e.g. flower/clover, clam/peach/eye/seed, wave, > snail. I had thought of naming them with words that began with the sound (though this presents difficulties for non-root vowels). Perhaps this could be combined with the appearance suggestion? > > *How should the alphabet be ordered?* One proposal was root vowels, > followed by > plosives, nasals, approximants, particle vowels, and final consonants. We could also order them using the numbers I gave them before assigning values, though this does have the downside of not being at all meaningful. > > COUNTING > > There's currently no way to count in Sajem Tan. > > River floated the idea of a base-6 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senary) > counting > system, in line with the tribe's fondness for hexagons. There were some > concerns that a non-decimal system might be confusing, but that it could be > worth > a try. Online base converters may be helpful. *What say the rest of the > tribe?* I have no objections to using a different base system, and 6 would certainly be easier than my experiments with 7. > > Number words will need to be invented. Stone will need to craft appropriate > numerals. > > CALENDAR > > Many details of the calendar are still in flux, but the core features are: > * Inspired by the Mayan long count calendar > * Not locked to any real-world cycles (e.g. sun, moon, Earth's orbit) > * Year consists of 360 days (like degrees in a circle) > * Two overlaid month systems: > - Nine long months of 40 days, named after the mythic roles > - Twelve short months of 30 days, each day named after a letter of the > alphabet > - Pretty graphic from Thunder for long months: http://imgur.com/a/PLEFB > > Less-concrete features: > * 6 day weeks > * Days correspond to the mythic Ants > * 6 seasons (each is two short months long) > * 36 seconds in a minute; 36 minutes in an hour; 36 hours in a day > * 6^6 = 46656 seconds in a day > > Details yet to be worked out: > * Day length: > - Fixing the length of a 'honey day' to a real day results in long > seconds > (1 'honey second' = ~1.85s) > - Fixing the length of a 'honey second' to a real second results in > short days > (12.96 hours) > - Define our own base unit, and work from there? > - Bird suggested average length of a thunderclap as possible base unit. > * River will try to write a converter for whatever system is chosen > * The points where the long and short months sync up could be special event > days (this would divide a year into trimesters) > * Start date: suggestions included the timestamp of the first Common Honey > email, the undefined point in the future where the language is declared > 'finished', > and 01/01/2016. > Looks good to me! Once details are settled I will do my best to provide a converter. Personally, I think the first email would be the best starting point. > MISCELLANEOUS > * Xaxat = "to laugh" > * "spoiled honey" = "swearing" How would one say "spoiled". How would one say "How would one say ___?" > * Stone's story is super impressive Thank you. > * River to put together a Memrise course to help the rest of us learn the > vocab. Link? > * An illuminated manuscript of the finished creation myth would be awesome. I was considering attempting such a thing.