Print

Print


On Sat, 7 May 2016 16:54:21 -0400, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>I find that I still have some final -VC suffixes (subordinate clause aspect markers) that don't have -CV counterparts (e.g. lamaf rather than lamfa). Is there a possible justification for this, or should I add the -CV versions?
>
I figured out why I used only -VC here: the subordinate perfect and prospective aspect suffixes are the same as the participial ones, which require consonant-final stems, due to further inflection (i.e. case endings). I hope this is valid.

Jeff

>
>On Mon, 2 May 2016 18:42:16 -0700, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>>Yeah, in OT the principle is called stress-to-weight I think (either that or vice-versa; I always get those confused). The idea is that stressed syllables prefer heavy syllables, so stressed syllables get an extra mora if they can. This is usually done by lengthening the vowel, but I can see metathesis being used in your examples as a nice repair strategy. 
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On May 2, 2016, at 6:33 PM, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks! So this will work even when the stem-VC is the original form?
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, 2 May 2016 14:25:28 -0700, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> All you need to do is say secondary stress occurs on the final syllable in trisyllabic forms with initial stress. Rest takes care of itself. 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On May 2, 2016, at 2:07 PM, J S Jones <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Finite verbs in Apr15 take an inversion suffix (one of which is -o) followed by a tense suffix (which is always -C). The stems to which these are attached always end in a single consonant. In many instances, the stem-oC combination is ok, but when the stem is stressed on the last syllable, I find that stem-Co is more easily pronounced.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Example: 'sifro "is eating" vs. 'sisifor "eats.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, oblique noun case endings alternate between -VC and -CV, depending on the stem and stress pattern.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Example: 'pogki "to the people/person" vs. ya'mothalik "to my dear"
>>>>> 
>>>>> My question is, what justification can be found for the metathesis?
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jeff