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Hi Lou! 

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. 
I'm interested in building an index fontium, complete with notes giving the bibliographic references of the sources (where a "source" is a passage of the text I am editing which has been quoted, silently or not, from another work). 
To build the index fontium, I need to list all the bibliographic references pointing, one way or another, to each work listed in the bibliography (i.e. in the <listBibl>). 
In the current state of the Guidelines, I cannot have a @ref or @target on <bibl> to express the fact that a particular short bibliographic reference is attached to a particular full reference in the bibliography. Yet, I need to tag the author and title part of the short reference, because they need particular display rules. I would wrap my <bibl> in a <ref>, but I hear it's not nice :) 



----- Mail original -----
De: "Lou Burnard" <[log in to unmask]>
À: "Marjorie Burghart" <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask]
Envoyé: Mercredi 31 Août 2016 18:51:22
Objet: Re: @target in <blib>

But why do you want to tag <author> inside the <ref> anyway? "Toto" 
isn't the author of the ref, it's the author of the thing being 
referenced. When you want to extract a list of all the works of Toto, 
you probably won't want to see these mere pointers, will you?


On 31/08/16 12:27, Marjorie Burghart wrote:
> Dear all,
> I recently ran into a similar problem for an apparatus fontium: I have a <listBibl> with a full bibliography, with the bibliographic entries for the reference editions of lots of works. Typically something like:
>           <listBibl>
>              <bibl xml:id="toto"><author>Toto</author>, <title>Long Title</title>, <date>1916</date> etc.</bibl>
>           </listBibl>
>
> In the edited text, I need to give the references of the quoted passages in the edition, in a precise format since in the end result I want to author's name in small capitals, a usually shortened version of the title in italics, and the pages or columns range (I don't need the range encoded, but I'd like it to be parts of the same element as the author and short title). I also want the short bibliographic reference to be linked somehow to the full one in the bibliography.
> <ref> with @target sounds like he answer, but the problem is that <author> is not allowed in <ref> so I cannot have:
> <ref target="#toto"><author>Toto</author>, <title>Shortened Title</title>..., p. 16-23</ref>
>
> What would be the consensual encoding here?
>
> Best, Marjorie
>
>
>
> ----- Mail original -----
> De: "Kevin Hawkins" <[log in to unmask]>
> À: [log in to unmask]
> Envoyé: Mercredi 31 Août 2016 13:12:02
> Objet: Re: @target in <blib>
>
> Yes, and in fact, this use is mentioned in
> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/CO.html#COBITY just
> after the Baxter example: " The usual encoding of short-form references
> such as /Baxter, 1983/ is not as bibl elements but as cross-references
> to such elements; see section 3.11.3 Bibliographic Pointers below
> <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/CO.html#COBIXR>."
> --Kevin
>
> On 8/30/16 11:01 AM, Martin Holmes wrote:
>> Hi Antonio,
>>
>> I would definitely use <ref target=theBibl">Baxter, 1983</ref> for
>> this. You might want to look at the jTEI customization
>> (<http://www.tei-c.org/Guidelines/Customization/jTEI/>), which uses
>> this approach, and has an example here:
>>
>> <http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-exemplars/html/tei_jtei.doc.html#internal_linking>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Martin
>>
>> On 2016-08-30 08:55 AM, Antonio Rojas Castro wrote:
>>> Dear TEI members,
>>>
>>> I am currently building a bibliographic list using <list>, <item>,
>>> <bibl>, <author> and <title> for each entry. After that I would like to
>>> link each entry with the references in the text. I had a look at the
>>> Guidelines and I think I may use the element <bibl> also for references.
>>> For instance, in the Guidelines you can find this example:
>>>
>>>      All of this is of course much more fully treated
>>>      in <bibl>Baxter, 1983</bibl>.
>>>
>>>
>>> ​However, you cannot use the attribute @target with <bibl>... Am I
>>> missing anything? Should I use <ref> instead of <bibl> to link
>>> references and entries?
>>>
>>> Many thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> ​Antonio Rojas Castro*
>>> Communication Coordinator for EADH​*
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>>> *
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>>>
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