Wasn't there a Japanese-Dutch pidgin at one time? 

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Subject: Re: A Japanese Creole

There are in fact a few known English-Japanese creoles: (but not much info).

Also, a couple of months ago someone told me about a creole that combines
Japanese with an Austronesian language of Taiwan (Atayal, I think, but I
could be mistaken).


> On 11 Nov 2016, at 2:49 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> I got to pondering what Japanese might end up like if it were to be 
> exported around the world and picked up by lots and lots of 
> second-language speakers. I am somewhat inspired in this by the 
> proliferation of American fans of anime; that phenomenon, combined 
> with the large number of English loanwords into Japanese, would seem 
> to make an excellent environment for a sort of English-Japanese 
> creole, if, say, a whole bunch of American otaku were exported to Mars 
> or something.
> I don't have much so far, but the most obvious change I would expect 
> is a loss of vowels from original Japanese words, resulting in new 
> consonant clusters. Specifically, the loss of devoiced vowels, which 
> English speakers often just don't hear.
> Some additional tweaking to the rules may be necessary to avoid 
> creating clusters that the Anglophone bad-Japanese learners would 
> themselves find difficult to pronounce, but the basics would be 
> something like this:
> 1. No two vowels in consecutive syllables can both be dropped.
> 2. /i/ & /u/ are candidates for dropping following a voiceless 
> consonant at the end of a word, following a voiceless consonant 
> following a downstep in pitch, or between two voiceless consonants..
> 3. /o/ is a candidate for dropping between voiceless consonants where 
> it precedes another syllable containing /o/.
> 4. When two or more consecutive vowels are both candidates, which 
> vowels are actually dropped is determined by dropping the right-most 
> candidate vowel, then the penultimate candidate vowel, and so forth.
> 5. Dropping of final vowels results in compensatory gemination of the 
> preceding consonant, and aspiration on stops.
> After this phonological change, there is the possibility of continuing 
> to write original Japanese words according to their historical 
> pronunciation, but given that consonant clusters are now allowed, 
> there is the possibility of loanwords which lack vowels in places that 
> cannot be predicted based on those rules, and so some means would have 
> to be devised to write individual consonants.
> -l.