Wasn't there a Japanese-Dutch pidgin at one time? -----Original Message----- From: Constructed Languages List [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Siva Kalyan Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:54 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: A Japanese Creole There are in fact a few known English-Japanese creoles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_Pidgin_English (but not much info). Also, a couple of months ago someone told me about a creole that combines Japanese with an Austronesian language of Taiwan (Atayal, I think, but I could be mistaken). Siva > On 11 Nov 2016, at 2:49 PM, Logan Kearsley <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > I got to pondering what Japanese might end up like if it were to be > exported around the world and picked up by lots and lots of > second-language speakers. I am somewhat inspired in this by the > proliferation of American fans of anime; that phenomenon, combined > with the large number of English loanwords into Japanese, would seem > to make an excellent environment for a sort of English-Japanese > creole, if, say, a whole bunch of American otaku were exported to Mars > or something. > > I don't have much so far, but the most obvious change I would expect > is a loss of vowels from original Japanese words, resulting in new > consonant clusters. Specifically, the loss of devoiced vowels, which > English speakers often just don't hear. > > Some additional tweaking to the rules may be necessary to avoid > creating clusters that the Anglophone bad-Japanese learners would > themselves find difficult to pronounce, but the basics would be > something like this: > > 1. No two vowels in consecutive syllables can both be dropped. > 2. /i/ & /u/ are candidates for dropping following a voiceless > consonant at the end of a word, following a voiceless consonant > following a downstep in pitch, or between two voiceless consonants.. > 3. /o/ is a candidate for dropping between voiceless consonants where > it precedes another syllable containing /o/. > 4. When two or more consecutive vowels are both candidates, which > vowels are actually dropped is determined by dropping the right-most > candidate vowel, then the penultimate candidate vowel, and so forth. > 5. Dropping of final vowels results in compensatory gemination of the > preceding consonant, and aspiration on stops. > > After this phonological change, there is the possibility of continuing > to write original Japanese words according to their historical > pronunciation, but given that consonant clusters are now allowed, > there is the possibility of loanwords which lack vowels in places that > cannot be predicted based on those rules, and so some means would have > to be devised to write individual consonants. > > -l.