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The ancient Egyptians & Sumerians used similar writing systems to Chinese.
Does anyone know how they organized things? If they had some sort of system
for organizing their characters it would (at least for Egyptian) have to
have been different than stroke order I would imagine.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 2:01 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Yeah, that's what I thought, but it did throw me for a bit. That's not the
> only one, though (I'm pretty sure "fanatic" should really be "phonetic").
> And some things that may be autocorrect manglings or may just be awkward
> grammar, and I can't tell what meaning is intended. "and Companying" =
> "accompanying" maybe? "the vowels it disappear as characters during vowel
> contraction" = ???
>
> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Christa Hansberry <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > I figured it must mean "I would refer to them"
> >
> > -Christa
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Garth Wallace <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:48 AM, Anthony Miles <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > This may fit under theory rather than no topic.
> > > >
> > > >  My language, Siye,  has a writing system that is in effect a
> syllabary
> > > > with some phonetic and (by virtue of its templatic morphology)
> semantic
> > > > components.  My current reference sheet to the system is a grid with
> > the
> > > > onset consonant ( or absence thereof)  on one axis and the eval on
> > > > another.  This scheme however, was designed purely for my convenience
> > > > rather than reflecting the native order of the language.  I have
> > details
> > > of
> > > > the system on my LiveJournal account but for obvious reasons you may
> > not
> > > > want to go there.  So I'll provide a brief summary here  before
> asking
> > my
> > > > question.
> > > >
> > > >  The native word for a character in the syllabary is literally
> > 'family',
> > > > but that would be a little confusing in the way that Terrestrial
> > > linguists
> > > > use the word family, so I world war for to them as characters. The
> most
> > > > basic character consists of the largest component alone, which is
> > called
> > > a
> > > > mother. A mother can have a smaller component modifying it – this,
> > > > unsurprisingly, is called a daughter. There can only be one mother
> in a
> > > > character, but there can be multiple daughters.  Sometimes there is
> an
> > > even
> > > > smaller component and Companying the daughter.  This component is
> > called
> > > a
> > > > granddaughter.  Some characters only have daughters;  in these cases
> > the
> > > > daughters in question are referred to as orphans, but any smaller
> > > component
> > > > is still called a granddaughter. A mother can be reduced in size and
> > > become
> > > > a daughter, but in that case any daughters of the former mother
> > > disappear.
> > > > The most common mothers to become daughters of a different mother are
> > the
> > > > vowels it disappear as characters during vowel contraction - The
> vowel
> > of
> > > > the new character is determined by vowel dominance.  But I feel it is
> > > more
> > > > important to sort out the basic characters first, so I'll put off
> that
> > > > discussion until another day.  The primary importance of secondary
> > > > characters in this discussion is that they are often homophonous
> wWith
> > > > primary characters but theoir restricted usage prevents confusion.
> > > >
> > > > So my next task was to establish an  indigenous order of the
> > characters.
> > > I
> > > > examined Chinese characters stroke order  and organization by number
> of
> > > > strokes.  In Keno Siye ( The name for the writing system),  which
> runs
> > > from
> > > > left to right  on the level of completed characters,  a vertical
> > downward
> > > > stroke is usually the first stroke.  This is followed by the
> right-hand
> > > > stroke and then the left-hand stroke and finally the daughter,
> > especially
> > > > if the daughter is just the single line. In other cases, however,
> > > > especially those in which  The mother can be seen as a combination of
> > two
> > > > right angles,  The right angle which resembles a V is written  but
> for
> > > the
> > > > right angle which resembles a backward L.  In unusually complex
> > > > characters,  especially those which have all their daughters on the
> > right
> > > > side,  The left component of the mother is written first, even though
> > the
> > > > right-hand component of the mother may be a straight line.  In the
> case
> > > of
> > > > orphans, and when the daughter is significantly large, The daughter
> or
> > > > leftmost orphan  is written first. So there are definite sequences in
> > > which
> > > > the strokes of the mother are written, although it is not always as
> > rigid
> > > > as Chinese.
> > > >
> > > > Stroke count, however,  is a bit trickier.  The majority of  The
> > mothers
> > > > and daughters have between three and five strokes.  Due to the
> genesis
> > of
> > > > the writing system in our world, there are no one stroke characters
> or
> > > > mothers. So stroke number is not sufficient and itself to distinguish
> > > many
> > > > of the characters for what I'm going to call alphabetization,
> > although I
> > > > know that is not the correct term.  Currently I am thinking that the
> > > > construction of a native dictionary would require a combination of
> > stroke
> > > > number and stroke order  and also the left or right component of the
> > > mother.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I believe the correct term is "collation".
> > >
> > >
> > > >   Those of you who have designed a writing system similar to what I
> > have
> > > > described,  how did you handle this issue?  Is there something I have
> > > > neglected consider?
> > > > If this makes a difference, this writing system is the formal,
> careful
> > > > writing system designed for clarity rather than speed.  There is a
> > > cursive
> > > > system, but I want to fully understand the more linear system  first,
> > > since
> > > > the cursive system is a derivative of the formal linear system.
> > > >
> > > >  One final observation: in some characters the rotation of the
> > > geometrical
> > > > shape seems to affect the stroke order,  although rotation is not a
> > > fanatic
> > > > or semantic indicator.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I'm having a hard time visualizing this, but it doesn't sound like a
> > > radical/stroke order based system makes sense for this script (it does
> > for
> > > Han characters because stroke order follows fairly rigid rules, though
> it
> > > gets hairy when you consider cursive or other styles like pseudo-seal
> > > script). I don't really understand the daughter/orphan thing.
> > >
> > > Also, it looks like autocorrect may have garbled part of your message
> > ("so
> > > I world war for to them"?) which doesn't help.
> > >
> >
>