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Ah, yes, I wondered about that. And it would apply in many of our cases, but sometimes we do have letter-writers freestyling original verse in the middle of a paragraph . . .

-----Original Message-----
From: Lou Burnard [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2017 7:57 AM
To: Ondine LeBlanc; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: line group within paragraph?

FWIW, the rationale for not allowing <lg> as a direct child of <p> in earlier versions of P5 was that verse appearing *within* a paragraph would normally only do so if it was quoted, and hence that the <lg> should be wrapped in a <quote> or similar. But this argument did not persuade a majority of council, and that's why the change was made.


  On 14/07/17 16:29, Ondine LeBlanc wrote:
> Thanks so much, David! This is exactly the problem. Apparently my (woefully stale) version of oXygen is looking at P5 2.1.0, at which time <lg> was not allowed in <p>.
>
> Time for me to demand that upgrade!
>
> O.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sewell, David R. (drs2n) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, July 14, 2017 11:11 AM
> To: Ondine LeBlanc
> Cc: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TEI-L] line group within paragraph?
>
> A first step would be to see what version of the TEI Guidelines schemas your version of oXygen is using. In oXygen, click Help - About - Frameworks and scroll down until you see "TEI P5". Note the version number.
>
> Then you can go to the TEI Previous Releases page:
> http://www.tei-c.org/Guidelines/P5/#previous
>
> and investigate what the reference for the <lg> element says for the version you're using.
>
> It does look like <p> did not permit an <lg> child if you go back far enough in the release history.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2017, Ondine LeBlanc wrote:
>
>> Hi, all--
>>
>> I'm not sure if this is a glitch at my end or with the schema as I am validating against it, but I am getting a validation error when I try to encode lines of verse within a paragraph. Over the years we have done this many times in our texts, usually when a letter includes a few lines of verse and the author clearly continues the paragraph (and sometimes even the sentence) around those verse lines. It wasn't a problem in terms of validation. But this morning I am getting an error saying that <lg> is not allowed here I have it.
>>
>> In order to determine if the error was something other than the p/lg nesting, I tested it using a generic TEI template in oXygen:
>>
>>
>> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <?xml-model
>> href="http://www.tei-c.org/release/xml/tei/custom/schema/relaxng/tei_
>> a ll.rng" schematypens="http://relaxng.org/ns/structure/1.0"?>
>> <TEI
>>   xmlns:xi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XInclude"
>>   xmlns:svg="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
>>   xmlns:math="http://www.w3.org/1998/Math/MathML"
>>   xmlns="http://www.tei-c.org/ns/1.0">
>>   <teiHeader>
>>     <fileDesc>
>>       <titleStmt>
>>         <title>Title</title>
>>       </titleStmt>
>>       <publicationStmt>
>>         <p>Publication Information</p>
>>       </publicationStmt>
>>       <sourceDesc>
>>         <p>Information about the source</p>
>>       </sourceDesc>
>>     </fileDesc>
>>   </teiHeader>
>>   <text>
>>     <body>
>>       <p>Some text
>>         <lg><l>verse</l></lg>
>>         here.</p>
>>     </body>
>>   </text>
>> </TEI>
>>
>> Even here, I get an error message as soon as I add the <lg> within the paragraph.
>> I am using a much outdated version of oXygen (14), but that shouldn't make a difference, right?
>>
>> BTW, the guidelines seem to indicate that this should be valid:
>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-lg.html includes "p" as the elements "lg" can be contained by.
>>
>> Thanks for any assistance or insight!
>>
>> Best,
>> Ondine
>>
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Massachusetts Historical Society
1154 Boylston Street, Boston, MA 02215
Phone: 617-646-0524, Fax: 617-859-0074
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