As for natlang precedent, Japanese (SOV) works exactly like you have described, in that the demonstrative precedes the noun and other modifiers such as adjectives. -----Original Message----- From: "Sylvia Sotomayor" <[log in to unmask]> Sent: 2/22/2018 20:23 To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: OV word order question Oh. Good to know. If Itlani does it, it can't be wrong! :-) Thanks! -S On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:21 PM, James Hopkins <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > Itlani is also SOV and uses the order of demonstratives you are suggesting. > I like it too and it seems to work quite well. As I always counsel in these > cases, do what feels right. > > If you care... 😃 > > Itlani Jim > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 5:55 PM, Sylvia Sotomayor <[log in to unmask]> > wrote: > > > I have a question regarding word order and OV languages. > > > > The latest draft of the new language is mostly verb-final. The basic word > > order is SOV. The structure of the verb phrase itself is > Subject-Proclitic > > - Verb - Inflection. The inflection part codes tense, evidentiality, > person > > of subject and person of object. While the subject proclitic marks person > > and number, the inflection only marks person. Also, in some cases the > forms > > of the inflections have fallen together, so that without a subject > > proclitic you have no idea if the inflection -ñe means non-past, second > > person subject, no object OR recent past, direct evidentiality, first > > person subject, no object OR recent past, direct evidentiality, third > > person subject with first person object. Since subject and to a certain > > extent object are marked in the verb phrase itself, the actual noun > phrases > > for S and O do not have to be expressed. > > > > The language also has copulas, and those come between the copula subject > > and the copula complement. > > > > Within a typical noun phrase, the word order goes: (adjective) noun > > (generic noun) (postposition). I also have demonstratives. My preference > is > > to put the demonstrative first: dem adj noun generic. I suspect this is > not > > the usual OV language word order. But I like it. Especially when I have > > something like demonstrative relative-clause relative-pronoun noun > > generic-noun resumptive-demonstrative COPULA noun. > > > > So, the question: how unnatural is it to have a demonstrative at the > > beginning of a noun phrase in an OV language? And should I care? > > > > (OK, that last is a rhetorical question). > > > > -S > > > > -- > > Sylvia Sotomayor > > > > The sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up. > > > -- Sylvia Sotomayor The sooner I fall behind the more time I have to catch up.