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Dear Torsten,
That's a good question about `@type` on msPart - it does seem to be allowed now, but I do seem to remember that it hasn't been in the past, is it perhaps part of a recent release? http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/ref-msPart.html

I agree there is potentially some overlap with `objectDesc/@form`; our practice at the Bodleian is to use the latter simply for a high level classification of the type of object: codex, roll, or sheet.

As you say, creating two different descriptions of the same fragment using different elements does not seem ideal. Perhaps it would be useful if msFrag could point to a relevant msPart if one exists. Or maybe that is already possible?

Matthew
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From: Torsten Schassan <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: 07 March 2018 10:59
To: MLH; [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: msPart and msFrag

Dear Matthew,

I agree, these are two different discussions.

Concerning your no 1): Where did you attach @type? It isn't allowed on
<msPart>. I thought that msPart/physDesc/objectDesc/@form is a proper place.

We use an ODD with this list of values for @form: "codex, fascicle,
leaf, scoll, other"

I would support your idea of having two descriptions. (As for example,
we would provide two different manifests using IIIF.)

But as I mentioned yesterday, this practice would result in one
description having msPart to describe the fragment, the other one using
msFrag. There would be two different @xml:ids, making it difficult to
understand that the two items are the same. Maybe/hopefully/only the
identical msIdentifier should make clear it's the same item. Which
leaves us with the question: If what we want to say is expressed by
msIdentifier, why then have different parent elements?

Best, Torsten


Am 07.03.2018 um 10:42 schrieb MLH:
> This is a very interesting discussion!
> I think there are two separate questions.
>
> (1) the distinction between a binding fragment or endleaf, and the composite manuscript consisting of several originally separate manuscripts bound together. Personally, I have been happy to use  `<msPart>` for all these cases;  one can use `@type` to provide a more precise indication of what the part is. For example, type="pastedown", type="endleaf", type="booklet" and so on. It might even be possible to agree on a controlled vocabulary...
>
> (2) The question of describing a manuscript which is known to have leaves elsewhere. I would argue against Pietro that one might actually want two descriptions here - one of the surviving MS. and one of the reconstructed MS. Would it also be possible to describe BNF et 45 using only `<msFrag>`?
>
> Matthew
>
>


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