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I had a similar question recently -  a class marking up poems in which they
wanted to record information about people - we decided on particDesc as
well.

--elli

[Sent from my phone, please excuse typos or autocorrect]

On Mar 16, 2018 1:29 PM, "Martin Mueller" <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> This makes a lot of sense to me and squares with an experience that may be
> relative to Elisa's project. Remembering dimly from my schoolboy years in
> Germany that Schiller said somewhere that there were only two dozen (or so)
> dramatic situations I had a group of students in a summer internship crate
> a taxonomy of properties and behaviours in Early Modern plays. The idea was
> to create "dynamic cast lists"--something along the lines of Six Degrees of
> Francis Bacon.  This was priority 3 on some grant where we barely finished
> priority 3, and nothing has come of it so far.  On the plus side, the
> students enjoyed the work, were quite good at it, and learned something
> from it.
>
>
>
> On 3/16/18, 12:15 PM, "TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion
> list on behalf of C. M. Sperberg-McQueen" <[log in to unmask] on
> behalf of [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>     > On Mar 15, 2018, at 6:56 PM, Elisa Beshero-Bondar <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>     >
>     > ...
>     > We were working on the ODD schema for their project today, and I was
> finding myself stumped to determine the best way to indicate that a given
> character in a script is primary or secondary. Their files do not begin
> with a cast list, but instead are simply encoded thus:
>     >
>     > <sp who="#speakerID"><speaker>name</speaker><p>talking
> here.</p></sp>
>     >
>     > ... My student (who's a pretty sharp Lit major) asked, "Surely
> people who code TEI projects have some way of indicating primary vs.
> secondary characters?" and my answer was, "Hmmm. I'm not sure...I wonder if
> other people I know do that?" So I'm turning to the list to inquire--if any
> of you have encoded literary projects in TEI (say of plays, novels, verse
> narratives, etc) with interpretive markup to distinguish primary vs.
> secondary characters, and if so, how you've done it?
>
>     The answers so far seem focused not on how to encode the analysis you
>     describe, but on commenting on that analysis, suggesting ways to make
>     it better, asking whether it makes sense in the first place, and
>     wondering whether you could do without it.  So perhaps there is room
>     for a response that tries to answer the question as asked.
>
>     As you describe it, the primary/secondary distinction is not a
>     property of characters per se but of a character in an episode, or
>     equivalently of (character, episode) pairs.  (For that reason,
>     encoding it as an attribute on the first speaker element for the
>     character, or on the first speech element for that character, feels
>     wrong-headed to me: it is not a property of that particular speech, or
>     that particular speaker attribution, as opposed to others.  But the
>     mechanism you describe does achieve the goal of ensuring that the
>     information is encoded once for each (character, episode) pair.  Full
>     marks to your students for seeing that necessity.)
>
>     One natural place to encode information about a character in a
>     particular script is in the cast list.  The project’s decision not to
>     include cast lists thus makes this problem look harder than it needs
>     to be; if that decision is not firmly grounded, perhaps it could be
>     revisited.
>
>     Another natural place would be particDesc.
>
>     A third place, which will feel natural to some observers and probably
>     not to others, would be in a separate free-standing document, which
>     one could regard as offering a kind of stand-off annotation.  (Those
>     with experience in relational modeling will recognize an analogy to
>     the relational tables used to model n:m relations among entities.)
>
>     And of course you could also add a structure to the personography
>     entry for each character specifying (a) which episodes the character
>     appears in and (b) their prominence in the episode.
>
>     I hope this helps.
>
>
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