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From: Tony Harris <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 08:40:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: case systems in your languages

I'm a bit late to this party, but...

Alurhsa has a case system that on the surface looks quite 
Indo-European.  6 cases, nominative-accusative style.  However, the 
cases are actually directional more than anything else, so what they 
reflect is:

Nominative: Actor
Dative/Allative: Towards
Accusative: Against/Impact
Locative/Genitive: At
Instrumental: Through/Throughout
Ablative: From

The above is also the order in which native grammarians list the cases.  
In using them, the case is selected by the motion or direction in 
relation to the object.  So for example, anything moving towards the 
object, including benefits that the object might receive, uses the 
dative.  Describing something as passing through the object, such as the 
actor's energy passing through something that is being used as a tool, 
and including duration of time when you're talking about something 
happening during an entire period, uses the instrumental (must be 
another name for that case that's more accurate... suggestions?).  The 
accusative is seen really as an impact, like a wave crashing against a 
seawall, and so certain prepositions that reflect an impact or effect 
rather than a location or motion per se take the accusative.

On 04/19/2018 08:58 AM, Katerina wrote:
> not sure whether there already is a thread for this or not - what case
> systems do your languages use?
> the one for T'elχ isn't complete yet, but i decided that the meanings of
> the cases should resemble a combination of the chukchi and itelmen case
> systems because i am partial to both (for some reason).
> orientative-dative [to, for]: used for physical movement toward an object
> or in a particular direction, or to mark the recipient or beneficiary of an
> action
> determinative [by; at, near, around]: used for the physical location or
> direction of movement (with an object serving as a landmark), or for an
> entity or object that serves as an example, model or framework for another
> entity/object
> causal/narrative [because of, for the purpose of, for the reason that; of,
> about, regarding]: used to mark the cause or goal of an action or the
> subject of a story (narrative)
> designative [as, for, instead of; as, like, similar to; for, in order to]:
> used to state a role or purpose or to express the resemblance between one
> entity or object and another
> translative [into]: used for an entity or object that is transformed or
> turned into a different entity/object (as in "the human being was made
> T'elχ")
> abessive/privative/caritive [without]: used to state the absence or lack of
> an entity or object
> ablative [away from]: used for physical movement away from an object or in
> the opposite direction, or for an entity or object that loses or is
> deprived of something
> instrumental [using, by means of, with]: used for an instrument or means
> whereby an action is performed, may mark the agent or the patient (or both
> simultaneously)
> comitative I [with, together with, along with]: used for joint actions;
> connotes inseparability, used for inalienable parts of a whole, or persons)
> (circumfix)
> comitative II [with, together with, along with]: used for joint actions or
> actions that require the presence of a specific object; connotes
> separability, used for objects and entities not considered "persons")
> (circumfix)
> locative [in, within, inside]: used for physical location in the most
> general sense, has a variety of figurative meanings
> vocative: used to address a sapient entity directly
> peace,
> cathy